Yes, I read what you suggested. Yes, I understood your clarification.
It was a bad idea at the time, and in retrospect it has been proven worse.
Let's say we did go along with your suggestion. First of all, who in this game is easier to read as scum than anyone else? And if they're likely to be more obvious anyway, why would we need to give them more power to set up the trap?
Now let's say such a player did exist in this game, and we voted for them to go on the treasure hunt. What would have happened? They become harder to lynch. That clearly is not helpful to the town in any way whatsoever.
I'm not voting for you because I don't want to see you lynched on Day 1 for a stupid mistake two games in a row, but you're not really making it easy.
It was a bad idea at the time, and in retrospect it has been proven worse.
Let's say we did go along with your suggestion. First of all, who in this game is easier to read as scum than anyone else? And if they're likely to be more obvious anyway, why would we need to give them more power to set up the trap?
Now let's say such a player did exist in this game, and we voted for them to go on the treasure hunt. What would have happened? They become harder to lynch. That clearly is not helpful to the town in any way whatsoever.
I'm not voting for you because I don't want to see you lynched on Day 1 for a stupid mistake two games in a row, but you're not really making it easy.
RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 1: Pirates versus Ninjas
28/08/2010 03:58:14 AM
- 3719 Views
Voting Record
28/08/2010 03:58:46 AM
- 1640 Views
Incidentally...
31/08/2010 01:58:55 AM
- 1666 Views
I do, in fact
31/08/2010 02:16:25 AM
- 1639 Views
Yes, that might make more sense
31/08/2010 02:22:07 AM
- 1558 Views
No, it's the other way around
31/08/2010 02:31:39 AM
- 1645 Views
Re: No, it's the other way around
31/08/2010 02:33:48 AM
- 1565 Views
Yeah I thought that was pretty funny
31/08/2010 02:37:43 AM
- 1633 Views

Arrr, Vote ?
28/08/2010 05:34:48 AM
- 1530 Views
Yarr, I hear ya, matey
28/08/2010 06:00:15 AM
- 1494 Views
He's got a point matey!
28/08/2010 03:39:20 PM
- 1551 Views
Arr pirates don't ask questions!
28/08/2010 09:12:10 PM
- 1541 Views
what about rhetorical questions?
28/08/2010 09:54:08 PM
- 1653 Views
He's got a point matey!
28/08/2010 03:39:25 PM
- 1449 Views
Okay
28/08/2010 06:03:54 AM
- 1608 Views
Yes, Pirate = town, Ninja = Mafia.
28/08/2010 06:09:16 AM
- 1610 Views
What, we're not all using pirate speech for this game?
28/08/2010 06:13:09 AM
- 1624 Views
Argh ye matey... or something, no I'll pass for now
28/08/2010 06:33:35 AM
- 1815 Views

umm, yo ho?
28/08/2010 10:25:19 AM
- 1575 Views
... and a bottle of rum
28/08/2010 11:53:39 AM
- 1575 Views
I don't really like this claim five roles thing.
28/08/2010 09:54:10 PM
- 1641 Views
Not overjoyed at it either to be honest
28/08/2010 10:20:49 PM
- 1611 Views
After thinking it over, I don't like it either
28/08/2010 11:15:41 PM
- 1426 Views
I agree.
28/08/2010 11:27:53 PM
- 1602 Views
Re: I agree.
29/08/2010 12:10:36 AM
- 1604 Views
I don't think it will be fruitful, to be completely honest
29/08/2010 12:25:02 AM
- 1486 Views
Well, not spam per se, but certainly give their opinions at least. *NM*
29/08/2010 12:29:54 AM
- 1540 Views
yeah...I don't like the five roles thing either...
29/08/2010 10:34:25 AM
- 1537 Views
Re: yeah...I don't like the five roles thing either...
29/08/2010 05:43:10 PM
- 1382 Views
I wonder how this is going to work.
29/08/2010 06:01:48 PM
- 1578 Views
Re: I wonder how this is going to work.
29/08/2010 07:05:25 PM
- 1610 Views
I think any millers should just claim now
29/08/2010 09:46:47 PM
- 1503 Views
Not sure
29/08/2010 10:43:46 PM
- 1524 Views
I think it would help if they did
29/08/2010 10:53:25 PM
- 1554 Views
Maybe
29/08/2010 11:08:36 PM
- 1474 Views
That format for mass roleclaiming won't work
30/08/2010 01:15:11 AM
- 1407 Views
We can go into later
30/08/2010 02:20:12 AM
- 1584 Views
Has anyone actually claimed vanilla?
30/08/2010 09:56:15 AM
- 1514 Views
a question.
30/08/2010 12:25:48 PM
- 1522 Views
By the way...
29/08/2010 11:19:33 PM
- 1538 Views
No ninjas were mentioned in your RM? Interesting. *NM*
28/08/2010 06:44:38 AM
- 860 Views
Nope, I take they were in yours? Anything useful? *NM*
28/08/2010 07:01:54 AM
- 857 Views
Hmm, maybe, but too early to say just yet. *NM*
28/08/2010 10:54:59 PM
- 851 Views
Just to clarify, that "maybe" applies to both parts of your question. *NM*
29/08/2010 06:13:15 PM
- 847 Views
Re: Okay
28/08/2010 10:53:23 PM
- 1537 Views
Ah, here is a link
28/08/2010 10:57:48 PM
- 1455 Views
I don't really think we're in one of those
28/08/2010 11:03:20 PM
- 1528 Views
Yeah, maybe not then
29/08/2010 12:17:40 AM
- 1435 Views
How would the mafia know?
29/08/2010 03:54:46 AM
- 1471 Views
My RM didn't say anything about ninjas...
29/08/2010 04:40:23 AM
- 1472 Views
Day 1 EVENT: Treasure Hunt
30/08/2010 08:16:27 AM
- 1572 Views
How many votes do we have and how many people will be selected? *NM*
30/08/2010 09:28:32 AM
- 889 Views
Hmm... Treasure Vote: ?
30/08/2010 03:21:36 PM
- 1568 Views
I thought that was a question at first.
30/08/2010 05:39:37 PM
- 1515 Views
I would be willing to vote myself but why do you want to get rid of me? *NM*
31/08/2010 02:46:37 AM
- 790 Views
I'd like to hear a bit more of an explanation about this
31/08/2010 02:49:13 AM
- 1582 Views
Yeah I kind of skipped over that part...
31/08/2010 04:01:31 AM
- 1509 Views
I can't see that being the case though
31/08/2010 04:28:01 AM
- 1562 Views
I have a feeling
31/08/2010 04:40:44 AM
- 1486 Views
It's a real possibility
31/08/2010 04:53:23 AM
- 1513 Views
23 - Treasure Vote: Yunalesca
31/08/2010 04:55:47 AM
- 1479 Views
I think the Treasure Vote should go to.....
31/08/2010 05:46:59 AM
- 1498 Views
Do you really mean that?
31/08/2010 05:55:12 AM
- 1554 Views
Huh?
31/08/2010 06:10:56 AM
- 1488 Views
We aren't going to get anywhere if we all vote for ourselves...
31/08/2010 04:12:05 AM
- 1547 Views
The hunt party will go forth whether you use your vote or not
31/08/2010 04:18:52 AM
- 1466 Views
There certainly isn't a guarantee that it is good, and whilst it is not the end of the world if a n
31/08/2010 04:43:25 AM
- 1575 Views
Well
31/08/2010 06:02:59 AM
- 1546 Views
Since Tvoting myself is obviously not helpful...
31/08/2010 10:00:49 AM
- 1638 Views
Ok...sorry about my absence for well...all the game so far
30/08/2010 07:03:56 PM
- 1473 Views
Not voting will just delay the event
31/08/2010 04:23:42 AM
- 1401 Views
Agreed, best everyone vote and get it over with
01/09/2010 02:59:27 AM
- 1364 Views
Does it really matter who goes?
01/09/2010 03:05:24 AM
- 1422 Views
Because we are rash and impatient, that's why.
01/09/2010 03:28:49 AM
- 1407 Views

Re: Because we are rash and impatient, that's why.
01/09/2010 03:50:07 AM
- 1489 Views

Sure. What do you suggest we do with it? *NM*
01/09/2010 03:53:57 AM
- 799 Views
Re: Sure. What do you suggest we do with it?
01/09/2010 03:13:30 PM
- 1439 Views
Well I think the instructions specifically say we ought to give it to someone trustworthy
01/09/2010 06:21:06 PM
- 1592 Views
Re: Well I think the instructions specifically say we ought to give it to someone trustworthy
01/09/2010 07:14:05 PM
- 1557 Views
to avoid a posting slump?
01/09/2010 08:54:18 PM
- 1600 Views
I think it means "Verified Townie"
01/09/2010 09:07:31 PM
- 1601 Views
It actually means vanilla townie (at least that's how we've been using it)
01/09/2010 10:44:42 PM
- 1530 Views
Why should we give it to a Vanilla Townie?
02/09/2010 12:47:35 AM
- 1490 Views
Well if we find out someone is a vt then why would we not give him the role?
02/09/2010 12:59:50 AM
- 1465 Views
What role? *NM*
02/09/2010 01:02:04 AM
- 931 Views
The role, as in the job to go on the treasure hunt. *NM*
02/09/2010 02:30:01 AM
- 830 Views
F-T said that the Treasure Hunt would be resolved before the end of the day
02/09/2010 02:39:44 AM
- 1464 Views
Oh, and also!
02/09/2010 02:44:54 AM
- 1484 Views
But that's not really a role since there is no guarantee it comes with any powers or abilities *NM*
02/09/2010 03:49:13 AM
- 893 Views
Lets watch that Horizontal Scroll, also...
02/09/2010 03:37:54 AM
- 1626 Views
And apparently the vertical scroll as well
02/09/2010 03:53:13 AM
- 1484 Views
I'm inclined to ask FT to copy the effected messages and delete them
02/09/2010 04:52:24 AM
- 1569 Views
It could have been a slip
02/09/2010 05:13:16 AM
- 1487 Views
HAS NO ONE READ MY CLARIFICATION?
02/09/2010 03:24:25 PM
- 1540 Views
It really does not help you.
02/09/2010 10:12:43 PM
- 1558 Views
Vote: Darth_Katie
02/09/2010 03:58:35 AM
- 1498 Views
Just to clarify, I was referring to Treasure Hunt votes, not lynch
*NM*
02/09/2010 05:00:34 AM
- 855 Views

Treasure vote: Isaac
02/09/2010 05:51:31 AM
- 1600 Views
An irrelevant vote is probably better than no vote.
02/09/2010 06:08:00 AM
- 1553 Views
The top 3 vote-getters will be going, I think
02/09/2010 07:26:28 AM
- 1466 Views
I think that just means that up to 3 votes will be counted. *NM*
02/09/2010 01:39:26 PM
- 883 Views
"People" implies plural, but we can ask FT... casts Summon Mod
02/09/2010 03:44:21 PM
- 1644 Views
Off to get the treasure.
03/09/2010 12:19:34 AM
- 1547 Views
Can they still participate in convo even though they were voted off the island...errr ship? *NM*
03/09/2010 05:40:28 AM
- 892 Views
Probably worth checking
03/09/2010 05:59:32 AM
- 1513 Views
Samesies.
04/09/2010 07:48:53 AM
- 1546 Views
Well, now that that's done...
03/09/2010 07:49:47 AM
- 1486 Views
I love random voting
03/09/2010 06:36:11 PM
- 1436 Views
Event: Wrath of Mod
03/09/2010 09:49:24 PM
- 1450 Views
OK! Posting slump
06/09/2010 12:38:39 PM
- 1609 Views

i think thats what everyone is waiting for.
06/09/2010 01:03:52 PM
- 1493 Views
Let's be honest, it's a terribly weak accusation
06/09/2010 03:20:09 PM
- 1491 Views
Re: Let's be honest, it's a terribly weak accusation
06/09/2010 03:29:17 PM
- 1578 Views
But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 03:37:22 PM
- 1526 Views
Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 03:43:53 PM
- 1639 Views
Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 05:23:56 PM
- 1482 Views
Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 06:21:40 PM
- 1506 Views
Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 08:12:27 PM
- 1495 Views
I think it depends on if you assume it is appropriate for Townies to lie or not.
06/09/2010 09:21:03 PM
- 1482 Views
terminology question...
07/09/2010 07:16:21 AM
- 1485 Views
"Finger of Suspicion"
07/09/2010 07:41:20 AM
- 1504 Views
ah, thanks. and since you seem to be around...
07/09/2010 07:53:41 AM
- 1512 Views
Because it makes perfect sense to do so
06/09/2010 06:12:13 PM
- 1549 Views
One detail there requires more explanation
06/09/2010 06:38:22 PM
- 1548 Views
Re: One detail there requires more explanation
06/09/2010 07:32:54 PM
- 1573 Views
There is such a thing as WIFOM and it's in every game. Both sides can use it to their advantage.
06/09/2010 08:07:52 PM
- 1554 Views
Re: There is such a thing as WIFOM and it's in every game. Both sides can use it to their advantage.
06/09/2010 09:33:41 PM
- 1582 Views
No, typically townies get lynched trying to WIFOM
06/09/2010 09:43:01 PM
- 1434 Views

Also: Yes, but
06/09/2010 08:15:22 PM
- 1509 Views
Yeah, he was
06/09/2010 08:58:19 PM
- 1641 Views
I guess no one likes listening to me. *NM*
06/09/2010 09:18:10 PM
- 832 Views
Of course we do
06/09/2010 09:27:40 PM
- 1531 Views
Does Isaac really get made scum by the mods more than others? *NM*
07/09/2010 07:08:15 AM
- 908 Views
Most, hopefully all, mods assign roles and alignment randomly, and I've been town mostly
07/09/2010 02:14:58 PM
- 1489 Views
so when you're a DF, games tend to sun longer? Hmm.... *is teasing*
*NM*
08/09/2010 06:01:14 AM
- 939 Views

Quick summary of my thoughts
07/09/2010 05:58:50 AM
- 1542 Views
An even quicker one.
07/09/2010 07:50:20 AM
- 1632 Views

Hm... not too much to go on. I think we should lynch BlackAdder, to be honest.
07/09/2010 09:10:53 PM
- 1512 Views
I am wary of this logic
07/09/2010 09:17:14 PM
- 1440 Views
I think it's a minor Day 1 slip that we should seize upon
08/09/2010 02:41:49 AM
- 1432 Views
Your argument is that if my RM mentions ninjas, then I must be a ninja
08/09/2010 06:06:58 AM
- 1497 Views
Partially yes
08/09/2010 03:15:00 PM
- 1499 Views
Whoa. An all-cop game would be pretty cool.
08/09/2010 06:57:21 PM
- 1538 Views
I'm pretty sure they exist, from what I've read on Mafiascum.
08/09/2010 10:01:01 PM
- 1461 Views
Oh, no I didn't.
09/09/2010 12:15:37 AM
- 1560 Views
Re: Partially yes
08/09/2010 10:25:29 PM
- 1508 Views
I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
09/09/2010 12:19:02 AM
- 1537 Views
Re: I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
09/09/2010 04:01:40 AM
- 1444 Views
Your statements here are contradictory
09/09/2010 05:26:17 AM
- 1503 Views
I don't know what to believe here.
09/09/2010 03:31:57 AM
- 1563 Views
Re: I don't know what to believe here.
09/09/2010 04:21:58 AM
- 1462 Views
Ninja RM Mention (Table)
08/09/2010 10:08:04 PM
- 1553 Views
And as a separate query...
09/09/2010 04:34:36 AM
- 1490 Views
answer.
09/09/2010 09:41:23 AM
- 1591 Views

I think it was when I said there were no ninjas in my RM, right before I went RBIRL
09/09/2010 03:42:02 PM
- 1536 Views
yeah...I totally cannot figure out your reply in the context of anything I just said.
10/09/2010 08:20:15 AM
- 1540 Views

Re: yeah...I totally cannot figure out your reply in the context of anything I just said.
10/09/2010 03:36:04 PM
- 1497 Views

Posting slump and fence sitters
12/09/2010 07:11:42 PM
- 1491 Views
Re: Posting slump and fence sitters
12/09/2010 07:27:39 PM
- 1657 Views
Re: Posting slump and fence sitters
12/09/2010 09:17:41 PM
- 1470 Views
wow, Yanks have lots of days off...
13/09/2010 12:01:45 AM
- 1574 Views
We had class on Labor Day ... what a rip off *NM*
13/09/2010 12:55:37 AM
- 846 Views
Not at all, students should be happy
13/09/2010 01:03:52 AM
- 1485 Views
People who would cheer at the opportunity to shop are alien beyond my comprehension.
13/09/2010 02:35:45 AM
- 1517 Views
No, just a lot of holidays
13/09/2010 12:56:22 AM
- 1654 Views
ok!
13/09/2010 01:02:30 AM
- 1456 Views
Re: ok!
13/09/2010 01:16:23 AM
- 1519 Views
What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
13/09/2010 01:46:09 AM
- 1544 Views
Re: What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
13/09/2010 01:50:52 AM
- 1546 Views
Re: What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
13/09/2010 02:13:58 AM
- 1543 Views
Who's going to hammer? *NM*
13/09/2010 12:24:49 AM
- 880 Views
I guess I will
13/09/2010 01:41:37 AM
- 1787 Views