Re: I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 09/09/2010 04:01:40 AM
Why on Earth, if your role was as an investigator and it mentioned ninjas as part of that, presumably "Can investigate someone to find out if they are a ninja" or such, would you be surprised mine didn't mention it? Anyway we'll get back to this in a moment...
As I said, usually there would be a message like "destroy all the ninjas to win" as part of the role message (victory condition). If that's NOT what you are referring to, then I have to re-consider my analysis that you are, in fact, town. So, please answer exactly what you mean by that... did you mean that ninjas were not mentioned anywhere at all, or that they weren't mentioned with regard to you role? If they weren't mentioned at all, don't you find that strange with regard to how a role message is usually formatted?
... first, whenever people do something dishonest from a town POV it seems to invariably backfire, so on top of our understandably not trusting people for the dishonesty itself, it tends to get frowned on. I don't think anyone has ever nabbed me in a trap as a DF. You say you did this to give cover for roles, figuring the scum might believe it as nobody died roled, if true, didn't it occur to you how likely it was a role like myself would move to stop that? And what would it accomplish? So the scummers buy a vanilla game, unlikely, and if they have a role, which they usually do, they will all know at twilight that its not all vanilla. "Huh, I'm a DF roleblocker, I wonder if there are any roles in this game?" No, probably not a good plan. And if they did buy it, because they were all standard goons, what then? Nobody RC's or admits to being a role on day 1 or 2 unless they have to. Changed nothing for me though, running the odds, if the DFs thought this was definitely a vanilla game I can make a pretty educated guess on who'd they'd target.
I feel like I'm going in circles explaining this... first of all, even if the DFs have a roleblocker, that doesn't mean there are any real town roles. That's the whole point of the Inadvertent Mountainous setup. And why should a roled townie claim to prevent other townies from thinking it is a vanilla game? What harm is there in that? It just destroys the plan anyway.
And again with the 'dishonesty' smear... as I've mentioned multiple times now, it was basically making a hypothetical statement independent of role info. And it's not like I was trying to say that it was definitely true, or even likely to be true. After D_K's reply mentioning Gher's game, I did say the scenario was less likely.
Now, back to your claim. This is a twelve person game, we have at most two investigatory roles and your claiming one. And its a 'safe claim', because you're not specifically claiming to be the cop or the tracker, heck no role reveal might even mean, as I suggested earlier, that we have doubling up of roles. But its a safe claim because it can't be refuted if you're really a ninja. Our cop can hardly come out now and say "BA's lying, I am" because that player would be exposing themself for something that's not a real refutation, since you're not claiming cop.
Well, I would be pretty surprised if there was another person with a role like the one I have. I think it was designed to be unique. But if you don't think I am what I say I am, then there is not much I can do about that, except die lol.
Now the final bit, your last few messages you've been saying you thought I was town because of my early comments, that's a lie, because you outright tried to label me scum as recently as <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/146981/">two days ago</a> and some of the explanations you're putting forward for your actions don't jibe with that ...
Well, that was a mistake on my part. I just came back from RBIRL and I wasn't really paying attention to your early comments (which really were like the first few posts of the game). My accusation was based on your role-fishing accusation, which had nothing to do at the time with your early remarks about RMs. The two didn't really become connected (in my mind at least) until a bit later.
"Well, by itself, no. As I've explained, I consider those that made a statement about ninjas early on to be townies. Lack of a statement, coupled with the slip, and by process of elimination, he's more likely to be scum than the other choices."
... so you thought I was scummy two days ago for my very comments on the matter but a week before that and now as well you think those prove me townie? What happened two days ago? Me accusing you of being scummy for your ambiguous comments? The ones around the very same points that made you think I was town?
... so you thought I was scummy two days ago for my very comments on the matter but a week before that and now as well you think those prove me townie? What happened two days ago? Me accusing you of being scummy for your ambiguous comments? The ones around the very same points that made you think I was town?
No... I think you should re-read those posts. As I said, that's not what I was referring to. It's pretty clear I was referring to the role-fishing accusation, not the ninja-RM deal. The role-fishing accusation did seem like a scum trap to me, but I wasn't paying attention to the stuff from early on. So, if you can, please show where I said you were scummy for saying there were no ninjas in your RM. What I said you were scummy for was claiming a role, then accusing me of role-fishing to out the roles (self-fulfilling prophecy, if you wish).
No, I'm not buying it
It is possible your town, but you've made too many apparently deceptive moves for me to accept that as likely, and if you are, I think you may still represent a threat to us.
It is possible your town, but you've made too many apparently deceptive moves for me to accept that as likely, and if you are, I think you may still represent a threat to us.
My 'deceptive' moves:
1. Responding to one of your first posts of the game in a theoretical fashion.
2. Being ambiguous about whether there were ninjas mentioned in my RM to protect my role.
See, this is why scum should lurk like crazy, especially Day 1. Townies will just tunnel down and string themselves up over the most random things.
RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 1: Pirates versus Ninjas
- 28/08/2010 03:58:14 AM
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Voting Record
- 28/08/2010 03:58:46 AM
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Incidentally...
- 31/08/2010 01:58:55 AM
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I do, in fact
- 31/08/2010 02:16:25 AM
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Yes, that might make more sense
- 31/08/2010 02:22:07 AM
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No, it's the other way around
- 31/08/2010 02:31:39 AM
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Re: No, it's the other way around
- 31/08/2010 02:33:48 AM
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Yeah I thought that was pretty funny
- 31/08/2010 02:37:43 AM
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- 31/08/2010 02:37:43 AM
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Arrr, Vote ?
- 28/08/2010 05:34:48 AM
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Yarr, I hear ya, matey
- 28/08/2010 06:00:15 AM
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He's got a point matey!
- 28/08/2010 03:39:20 PM
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Arr pirates don't ask questions!
- 28/08/2010 09:12:10 PM
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what about rhetorical questions?
- 28/08/2010 09:54:08 PM
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He's got a point matey!
- 28/08/2010 03:39:25 PM
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Okay
- 28/08/2010 06:03:54 AM
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Yes, Pirate = town, Ninja = Mafia.
- 28/08/2010 06:09:16 AM
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What, we're not all using pirate speech for this game?
- 28/08/2010 06:13:09 AM
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Argh ye matey... or something, no I'll pass for now
- 28/08/2010 06:33:35 AM
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- 28/08/2010 06:33:35 AM
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umm, yo ho?
- 28/08/2010 10:25:19 AM
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... and a bottle of rum
- 28/08/2010 11:53:39 AM
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I don't really like this claim five roles thing.
- 28/08/2010 09:54:10 PM
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Not overjoyed at it either to be honest
- 28/08/2010 10:20:49 PM
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After thinking it over, I don't like it either
- 28/08/2010 11:15:41 PM
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I agree.
- 28/08/2010 11:27:53 PM
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Re: I agree.
- 29/08/2010 12:10:36 AM
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I don't think it will be fruitful, to be completely honest
- 29/08/2010 12:25:02 AM
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Well, not spam per se, but certainly give their opinions at least. *NM*
- 29/08/2010 12:29:54 AM
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yeah...I don't like the five roles thing either...
- 29/08/2010 10:34:25 AM
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Re: yeah...I don't like the five roles thing either...
- 29/08/2010 05:43:10 PM
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I wonder how this is going to work.
- 29/08/2010 06:01:48 PM
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Re: I wonder how this is going to work.
- 29/08/2010 07:05:25 PM
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I think any millers should just claim now
- 29/08/2010 09:46:47 PM
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Not sure
- 29/08/2010 10:43:46 PM
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I think it would help if they did
- 29/08/2010 10:53:25 PM
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Maybe
- 29/08/2010 11:08:36 PM
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That format for mass roleclaiming won't work
- 30/08/2010 01:15:11 AM
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We can go into later
- 30/08/2010 02:20:12 AM
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Has anyone actually claimed vanilla?
- 30/08/2010 09:56:15 AM
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a question.
- 30/08/2010 12:25:48 PM
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By the way...
- 29/08/2010 11:19:33 PM
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No ninjas were mentioned in your RM? Interesting. *NM*
- 28/08/2010 06:44:38 AM
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Nope, I take they were in yours? Anything useful? *NM*
- 28/08/2010 07:01:54 AM
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Hmm, maybe, but too early to say just yet. *NM*
- 28/08/2010 10:54:59 PM
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Just to clarify, that "maybe" applies to both parts of your question. *NM*
- 29/08/2010 06:13:15 PM
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Re: Okay
- 28/08/2010 10:53:23 PM
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Ah, here is a link
- 28/08/2010 10:57:48 PM
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I don't really think we're in one of those
- 28/08/2010 11:03:20 PM
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Yeah, maybe not then
- 29/08/2010 12:17:40 AM
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How would the mafia know?
- 29/08/2010 03:54:46 AM
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My RM didn't say anything about ninjas...
- 29/08/2010 04:40:23 AM
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Day 1 EVENT: Treasure Hunt
- 30/08/2010 08:16:27 AM
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How many votes do we have and how many people will be selected? *NM*
- 30/08/2010 09:28:32 AM
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Hmm... Treasure Vote: ?
- 30/08/2010 03:21:36 PM
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I thought that was a question at first.
- 30/08/2010 05:39:37 PM
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I would be willing to vote myself but why do you want to get rid of me? *NM*
- 31/08/2010 02:46:37 AM
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I'd like to hear a bit more of an explanation about this
- 31/08/2010 02:49:13 AM
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Yeah I kind of skipped over that part...
- 31/08/2010 04:01:31 AM
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I can't see that being the case though
- 31/08/2010 04:28:01 AM
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I have a feeling
- 31/08/2010 04:40:44 AM
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It's a real possibility
- 31/08/2010 04:53:23 AM
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23 - Treasure Vote: Yunalesca
- 31/08/2010 04:55:47 AM
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I think the Treasure Vote should go to.....
- 31/08/2010 05:46:59 AM
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Do you really mean that?
- 31/08/2010 05:55:12 AM
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Huh?
- 31/08/2010 06:10:56 AM
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We aren't going to get anywhere if we all vote for ourselves...
- 31/08/2010 04:12:05 AM
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The hunt party will go forth whether you use your vote or not
- 31/08/2010 04:18:52 AM
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There certainly isn't a guarantee that it is good, and whilst it is not the end of the world if a n
- 31/08/2010 04:43:25 AM
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Well
- 31/08/2010 06:02:59 AM
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Since Tvoting myself is obviously not helpful...
- 31/08/2010 10:00:49 AM
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Ok...sorry about my absence for well...all the game so far
- 30/08/2010 07:03:56 PM
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Not voting will just delay the event
- 31/08/2010 04:23:42 AM
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Agreed, best everyone vote and get it over with
- 01/09/2010 02:59:27 AM
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Does it really matter who goes?
- 01/09/2010 03:05:24 AM
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Because we are rash and impatient, that's why.
- 01/09/2010 03:28:49 AM
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- 01/09/2010 03:28:49 AM
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Re: Because we are rash and impatient, that's why.
- 01/09/2010 03:50:07 AM
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- 01/09/2010 03:50:07 AM
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Sure. What do you suggest we do with it? *NM*
- 01/09/2010 03:53:57 AM
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Re: Sure. What do you suggest we do with it?
- 01/09/2010 03:13:30 PM
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Well I think the instructions specifically say we ought to give it to someone trustworthy
- 01/09/2010 06:21:06 PM
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Re: Well I think the instructions specifically say we ought to give it to someone trustworthy
- 01/09/2010 07:14:05 PM
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to avoid a posting slump?
- 01/09/2010 08:54:18 PM
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I think it means "Verified Townie"
- 01/09/2010 09:07:31 PM
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It actually means vanilla townie (at least that's how we've been using it)
- 01/09/2010 10:44:42 PM
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Why should we give it to a Vanilla Townie?
- 02/09/2010 12:47:35 AM
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Well if we find out someone is a vt then why would we not give him the role?
- 02/09/2010 12:59:50 AM
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What role? *NM*
- 02/09/2010 01:02:04 AM
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The role, as in the job to go on the treasure hunt. *NM*
- 02/09/2010 02:30:01 AM
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F-T said that the Treasure Hunt would be resolved before the end of the day
- 02/09/2010 02:39:44 AM
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Oh, and also!
- 02/09/2010 02:44:54 AM
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But that's not really a role since there is no guarantee it comes with any powers or abilities *NM*
- 02/09/2010 03:49:13 AM
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Lets watch that Horizontal Scroll, also...
- 02/09/2010 03:37:54 AM
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And apparently the vertical scroll as well
- 02/09/2010 03:53:13 AM
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I'm inclined to ask FT to copy the effected messages and delete them
- 02/09/2010 04:52:24 AM
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It could have been a slip
- 02/09/2010 05:13:16 AM
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HAS NO ONE READ MY CLARIFICATION?
- 02/09/2010 03:24:25 PM
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It really does not help you.
- 02/09/2010 10:12:43 PM
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Vote: Darth_Katie
- 02/09/2010 03:58:35 AM
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Just to clarify, I was referring to Treasure Hunt votes, not lynch
*NM*
- 02/09/2010 05:00:34 AM
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*NM*
- 02/09/2010 05:00:34 AM
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Treasure vote: Isaac
- 02/09/2010 05:51:31 AM
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An irrelevant vote is probably better than no vote.
- 02/09/2010 06:08:00 AM
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The top 3 vote-getters will be going, I think
- 02/09/2010 07:26:28 AM
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I think that just means that up to 3 votes will be counted. *NM*
- 02/09/2010 01:39:26 PM
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"People" implies plural, but we can ask FT... casts Summon Mod
- 02/09/2010 03:44:21 PM
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Off to get the treasure.
- 03/09/2010 12:19:34 AM
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Can they still participate in convo even though they were voted off the island...errr ship? *NM*
- 03/09/2010 05:40:28 AM
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Probably worth checking
- 03/09/2010 05:59:32 AM
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Samesies.
- 04/09/2010 07:48:53 AM
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Well, now that that's done...
- 03/09/2010 07:49:47 AM
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I love random voting
- 03/09/2010 06:36:11 PM
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Event: Wrath of Mod
- 03/09/2010 09:49:24 PM
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OK! Posting slump
- 06/09/2010 12:38:39 PM
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- 06/09/2010 12:38:39 PM
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i think thats what everyone is waiting for.
- 06/09/2010 01:03:52 PM
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Let's be honest, it's a terribly weak accusation
- 06/09/2010 03:20:09 PM
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Re: Let's be honest, it's a terribly weak accusation
- 06/09/2010 03:29:17 PM
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But why would anyone actually say that?
- 06/09/2010 03:37:22 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
- 06/09/2010 03:43:53 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
- 06/09/2010 05:23:56 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
- 06/09/2010 06:21:40 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
- 06/09/2010 08:12:27 PM
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I think it depends on if you assume it is appropriate for Townies to lie or not.
- 06/09/2010 09:21:03 PM
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terminology question...
- 07/09/2010 07:16:21 AM
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"Finger of Suspicion"
- 07/09/2010 07:41:20 AM
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ah, thanks. and since you seem to be around...
- 07/09/2010 07:53:41 AM
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Because it makes perfect sense to do so
- 06/09/2010 06:12:13 PM
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One detail there requires more explanation
- 06/09/2010 06:38:22 PM
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Re: One detail there requires more explanation
- 06/09/2010 07:32:54 PM
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There is such a thing as WIFOM and it's in every game. Both sides can use it to their advantage.
- 06/09/2010 08:07:52 PM
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Re: There is such a thing as WIFOM and it's in every game. Both sides can use it to their advantage.
- 06/09/2010 09:33:41 PM
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No, typically townies get lynched trying to WIFOM
- 06/09/2010 09:43:01 PM
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- 06/09/2010 09:43:01 PM
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Also: Yes, but
- 06/09/2010 08:15:22 PM
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Yeah, he was
- 06/09/2010 08:58:19 PM
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I guess no one likes listening to me. *NM*
- 06/09/2010 09:18:10 PM
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Does Isaac really get made scum by the mods more than others? *NM*
- 07/09/2010 07:08:15 AM
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Most, hopefully all, mods assign roles and alignment randomly, and I've been town mostly
- 07/09/2010 02:14:58 PM
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so when you're a DF, games tend to sun longer? Hmm.... *is teasing*
*NM*
- 08/09/2010 06:01:14 AM
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*NM*
- 08/09/2010 06:01:14 AM
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Quick summary of my thoughts
- 07/09/2010 05:58:50 AM
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An even quicker one.
- 07/09/2010 07:50:20 AM
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- 07/09/2010 07:50:20 AM
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Hm... not too much to go on. I think we should lynch BlackAdder, to be honest.
- 07/09/2010 09:10:53 PM
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I am wary of this logic
- 07/09/2010 09:17:14 PM
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I think it's a minor Day 1 slip that we should seize upon
- 08/09/2010 02:41:49 AM
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Your argument is that if my RM mentions ninjas, then I must be a ninja
- 08/09/2010 06:06:58 AM
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Partially yes
- 08/09/2010 03:15:00 PM
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Whoa. An all-cop game would be pretty cool.
- 08/09/2010 06:57:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure they exist, from what I've read on Mafiascum.
- 08/09/2010 10:01:01 PM
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Oh, no I didn't.
- 09/09/2010 12:15:37 AM
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Re: Partially yes
- 08/09/2010 10:25:29 PM
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I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
- 09/09/2010 12:19:02 AM
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Re: I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
- 09/09/2010 04:01:40 AM
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Your statements here are contradictory
- 09/09/2010 05:26:17 AM
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I don't know what to believe here.
- 09/09/2010 03:31:57 AM
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Re: I don't know what to believe here.
- 09/09/2010 04:21:58 AM
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Ninja RM Mention (Table)
- 08/09/2010 10:08:04 PM
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And as a separate query...
- 09/09/2010 04:34:36 AM
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answer.
- 09/09/2010 09:41:23 AM
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- 09/09/2010 09:41:23 AM
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I think it was when I said there were no ninjas in my RM, right before I went RBIRL
- 09/09/2010 03:42:02 PM
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yeah...I totally cannot figure out your reply in the context of anything I just said.
- 10/09/2010 08:20:15 AM
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- 10/09/2010 08:20:15 AM
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Re: yeah...I totally cannot figure out your reply in the context of anything I just said.
- 10/09/2010 03:36:04 PM
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- 10/09/2010 03:36:04 PM
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Posting slump and fence sitters
- 12/09/2010 07:11:42 PM
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Re: Posting slump and fence sitters
- 12/09/2010 07:27:39 PM
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Re: Posting slump and fence sitters
- 12/09/2010 09:17:41 PM
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wow, Yanks have lots of days off...
- 13/09/2010 12:01:45 AM
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We had class on Labor Day ... what a rip off *NM*
- 13/09/2010 12:55:37 AM
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Not at all, students should be happy
- 13/09/2010 01:03:52 AM
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People who would cheer at the opportunity to shop are alien beyond my comprehension.
- 13/09/2010 02:35:45 AM
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No, just a lot of holidays
- 13/09/2010 12:56:22 AM
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ok!
- 13/09/2010 01:02:30 AM
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Re: ok!
- 13/09/2010 01:16:23 AM
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What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
- 13/09/2010 01:46:09 AM
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Re: What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
- 13/09/2010 01:50:52 AM
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Re: What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
- 13/09/2010 02:13:58 AM
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Who's going to hammer? *NM*
- 13/09/2010 12:24:49 AM
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I guess I will
- 13/09/2010 01:41:37 AM
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*NM*
i just realised something
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