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Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM

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I suggested to start the game again, now that we've seen the event resolution, with the people who claim they can win without voting. This really intrigues me, and as was pointed out by others: it's curious that so many / more than 1 claim this.

Fanatic_Templar:

View original postMe, I already told you that my objectives don't require me to lynch anybody. And I'm not even a foreigner, so I don't even need to kill the Hippos in self-defence. Now, because I'm still town-aligned I tried to help you guys out, but if you think I'm going to drag you kicking and screaming to a lynch in this game, you may want to reevaluate the situation. I am totally fine with no-lynching all game long, this time.

ranagrande

View original postI am a survivor. So when FT said his role didn't explicitly require killing, that's what I immediately thought of. Two survivors would be unlikely, but I already suspect that we have some quirks in the game setup.

Taiga

View original postYes I got an objective, but there is no need for killing or lynching per se too...maybe that counts for all of us (that would certainly explain the almost permanent stalling of this game..)

Praziquantel

View original postI probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I have to agree. There's nothing that compels me to lynch someone and given that we haven't lost anyone at night either (while at the same time our town roles apparently got some info), I don't see the harm in another no lynch. (...) In any case, as far as I can tell, I have nothing to gain personally from eliminating any of them. So, like you, I am content with another no lynch in hopes that we will have some useful info/revelations tomorrow.

On the contrary, I don't claim a non-killing role. <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281293/">Bergioyn doesn't say</a>, but his surprise at the type of game that would require no killing leads me to suspect he's not. Yunalesca is a Vampire, not a likely one for a Survivor, and definetely not for a no-killing role. (Didn't she already claim somewhere that she needed to kill? Can't find it anymore.) Maybe, since she's a reporter in-world, an ivestigative role. (Which makes me wonder: why wasn't she targeted/killed last night? <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281594/">She herself said she wasn't.</a> Beet also wanted to know more, and he suggested one option (will discuss below) which makes me feel he also doesn't claim no need to kill to win.

This leaves two we don't know yet: ? and Sacrilicious Toast. If they can chime in: please do.

So, without these two, and accepting my assumptions about Berg, Yuna and beet, we're now with 4 people who will likely have to kill to win (pro-Town this means: eliminate threats to town), 2 unknowns and 4 people who claim a victory condition that let's them win with nobody killed. Very high indeed.
What kind of roles can you have to win without Lynching or voting? beet made a rather intruiging suggestion, that besides a Survivor, a Cultist also can win without voting. Any more suggestions?

So, if we accept that either FT or rana is the Real Survivor (C) (and as rana poked at my question first, I'm more inclined to believe him), this means that Taiga and Praz are likely candidates to have lied.

May I also suggest that three of these four, namely rana, Taiga and Praz, plus one for which we do not know this yet (?), were also the ones visited by zombies? According to <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/280879/">Praz's rough timeline</a> Taiga was the first to have been visited, so maybe he was the one who sent him? As in: he could have been the one who sent out the zombie?
This could make sense: he had a dawn message, which stated something about a zombie, but saw that others (starting with rana, then Praz) claimed to have seen the zombie, then decided this puts him in a bigger company and claimed he only "saw" him, but was then caught out by the ladle.

(Nothing can be more profoundly Discworld, than that the final clue is a ladle, of all things... Pratchett would be proud.)

Undead are prime cultist material: vampires go around turning others into new vampires, zombies bite healthy people to turn them into other zombies (are they fast zombies, or are they slow zombies? I hope slow...) and I'm sure there are more examples.

Any more input would be helpful, but I'm going to start kicking things until something useful drops out of the tree:

Vote: Taiga.



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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2549 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 1092 Views
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No. - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1602 Views
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Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1654 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 1012 Views
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...worst epiphany ever *NM* - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 950 Views
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Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1594 Views
EBWOP - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1644 Views
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Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 935 Views
Re: Question [table] - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1696 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 1021 Views
Me neither. *NM* - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1361 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1718 Views
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I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1600 Views
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You know what surprises me? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1589 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 907 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 896 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 961 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1713 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1662 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 983 Views
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So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1578 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 915 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1572 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 948 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 875 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 976 Views
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So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 992 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1331 Views
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Hm, well that's something - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1494 Views
To add - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1603 Views
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As did I. *NM* - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 901 Views
Me too *NM* - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 905 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 901 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1582 Views
I chose Option 8. - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1569 Views
Re: Event Resolution - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1515 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1664 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1582 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1564 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1593 Views
I followed the dwarf - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1676 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1526 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1474 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1525 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 893 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1527 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1709 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1350 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 814 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1873 Views
ROFL! *NM* - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 867 Views
Sorry for my absence - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1508 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1483 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 942 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1875 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1565 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1491 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1567 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 2161 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1757 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1870 Views
So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1503 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1482 Views
I don't believe it either. - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1654 Views
Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1485 Views
Nice try. - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1619 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1554 Views
Re: Nice try. - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1736 Views
I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1788 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 922 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1523 Views
That was part of my reasoning - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1532 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1597 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1646 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1614 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1528 Views
Honestly I am torn. - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1491 Views
I do not claim this. - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1547 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1518 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1624 Views
Have a good trip - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1704 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1525 Views
No I haven't. - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1528 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1549 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1636 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1474 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1592 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 875 Views
Me neither - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1500 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 974 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1463 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1539 Views
Re: Mostly because .... - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1478 Views
Thanks! - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1678 Views
What is the case against Taiga? - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1589 Views
How awkward - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1536 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1514 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 875 Views
Vote Tracker - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1468 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1517 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1576 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1512 Views
Nice timing. *NM* - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 1000 Views
Vote Tracker - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1444 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 1449 Views
Seems like a silly excuse - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1554 Views
Not really. - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1519 Views
Reaching for what? - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1619 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 944 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1499 Views
So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1574 Views
Re: So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1662 Views
Re: Not really. - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1793 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1568 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1447 Views
Twilight 3 - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1866 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1570 Views
I think most of us will - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1581 Views

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