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Re: Nice try. Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM

View original postI have been entirely consistent in this game. Yesterday, enough people claimed to be able to win without lynching that I found it plausible. As I've said, I'm a Survivor. That means that if anyone wins while I'm still alive, I win too. So if the town in this game can win without lynching, then I also could win without lynching.

That's the part I now doubt. It has nothing to do with my role. I don't believe your role.


I honestly find this somewhat ironic considering you basically backtracked into claiming a Survivor yesterday (after F-T admitted that he wasn't a survivor, and couple others also claimed to have similar win conditions). So, the claim to me is kind of shaky that way, but not so much so that it is unbelievable. But is there anyone who would be able to confirm your night actions? You claimed to be a roleblocker, right? Did you take any actions yet? I believe you already said you didn't do anything Night 1. Also, I guess whoever is the thief would be able to confirm you character role, now that they have your hat (although that doesn't say anything about your alignment).


Why the sudden change?

Isaac recently posted a deadline message, and ended it with:

View original postLast note: Chess, Checkers, Monopoly, etc are specific games with specific rules. You can vary them a bit, for fun and something new, but the core concept of the game needs to remain or its a different game, which is fine but you wouldn't call it Chess anymore if you did. People might disagree on what the core concept of chess is, but if someone said they thought the core of the game revolved around protecting your king while checkmating the other guy's then anything that removes that component wouldn't be, in their eyes, chess anymore. So if you know what they consider the core concept you may safely assume it remains. Deduction, a core component of most strategy games, would allow one to make an educated guess what a given person considered that core concept to be with some searching but ideally it should be in the rules of the game itself, or so I have always felt.

OK, so let's look at the <a href"http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/217084/">rules</a>, conveniently written by Isaac, our moderator. Look at the topic headings. "Introduction," "Do's and Do Not's," "The Lynch." Clearly, Isaac considers lynching to be a "core concept" in mafia, and he would not have posted as he did if the town could win without lynching.

My statements yesterday presupposed that you were telling the truth, and that is something I no longer believe. Perhaps you're part of a cult, as beetnemesis has theorized. In any event, you're not what you say you are. The only reason I voted for Taiga instead of for you is that he's already got a vote against him.

Now whether you're a cult or some other scum faction, I, as a Survivor, could still win as long as you won. So why would I stick my neck out for the town like this? The answer is simple, and I suspect is the same reason that prompted Isaac to post as he did.

All these deadline no-lynches are boring.


I'm not completely convinced he is talking about lynching per se. To me, the more confusing aspect of this game is that we don't really know who is "good" and who is "bad"; at times, the native Ankh-Morporkians seem like the bad guys (Hippos) and other times they are the victims (today's bridge attack). We also have a confirmed Undead Vampire who was a part of the Watch and could carry out a Night Kill. However, he himself was killed, so that suggests what you referred to as a TANK. I'm going to guess the Watch is a pro-town force, but knowing the little I do about AM/DW, the patrician isn't always a good guy, right?

So, I read his message more as an explanation that, yes, there are conventional town and scum factions at play. As for lynching, it certainly does seem a "core" part of mafia and I'm not opposed to lynching scum. However, our role messages being what they are, you can't blame us for taking what appears the safest route (no lynch) towards victory. And as for it being boring... well, that's not the players' fault for playing to win; that's something the mod should have thought about if in fact that was something he wanted to avoid.

Anyway, I see a couple votes for Taiga. From what I've read and reread, the case against him is shallow at best. Artsapat voted him because he think he's lying about the zombie visiting him last night. I look forward to hearing a more detailed explanation, but I'm not seeing why this is true, or why it's even concerning. So far, we can't tell that the zombie has had any effect on anyone, and we have no proof that it was sent by someone in the first place.

You seem to be voting him just so we can lynch someone. So with that whopping amount of evidence, I will once again have to abstain. It does seem though that F-T and other have hinted that the game is slow so far because people are building/preserving morale, hopefully for some more action later. I trust F-T, so I'm likely to no-lynch again today unless something big comes up.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 1891 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 765 Views
Not a modkill - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 938 Views
Also not a self-kill - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1018 Views
Notes from Mod - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1001 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1026 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 1516 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1173 Views
We have learned quite a bit. - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1093 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1057 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 978 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 925 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 990 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 955 Views
Did your hat do anything? - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 940 Views
No. - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 989 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 633 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1001 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 613 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 626 Views
He might've been replaced. - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 942 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1073 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1053 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 977 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 963 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1023 Views
Question [table] - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1060 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 907 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 634 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 600 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 607 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 963 Views
EBWOP - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1026 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1373 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 638 Views
Re: Question [table] - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1061 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 639 Views
Me neither. *NM* - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1004 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1057 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 606 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 575 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 918 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 608 Views
You know what surprises me? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 970 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 620 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 566 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 626 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1352 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1059 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 656 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 567 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 671 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1065 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 936 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 560 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 925 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 605 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 571 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 584 Views
Event Resolution - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1034 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 657 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 963 Views
And? What happened to you guys? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 987 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 1518 Views
Hm, well that's something - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 868 Views
To add - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 972 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 905 Views
As did I. *NM* - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 592 Views
Me too *NM* - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 571 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 595 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 944 Views
I chose Option 8. - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 951 Views
Re: Event Resolution - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 878 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1033 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 937 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 963 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 978 Views
I followed the dwarf - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1034 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 888 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 896 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 883 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 600 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 898 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1085 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1066 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 497 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1169 Views
ROFL! *NM* - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 556 Views
Sorry for my absence - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 873 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 858 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 636 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1249 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 943 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 890 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 914 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1518 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1073 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1255 Views
So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 914 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 841 Views
I don't believe it either. - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1009 Views
Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 874 Views
Nice try. - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 954 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 935 Views
Re: Nice try. - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1096 Views
I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1169 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 595 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 902 Views
That was part of my reasoning - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 931 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 988 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 996 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 980 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 918 Views
Honestly I am torn. - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 890 Views
I do not claim this. - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 941 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 966 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 993 Views
Have a good trip - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1111 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 934 Views
No I haven't. - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 936 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 894 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1000 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 876 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 932 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 558 Views
Me neither - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 907 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 678 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 884 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 936 Views
Re: Mostly because .... - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 845 Views
Thanks! - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1051 Views
What is the case against Taiga? - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 932 Views
How awkward - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 929 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 919 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 548 Views
Vote Tracker - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 923 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 963 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1000 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 954 Views
Nice timing. *NM* - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 689 Views
Vote Tracker - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 896 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 822 Views
Seems like a silly excuse - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 891 Views
Not really. - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 873 Views
Reaching for what? - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 945 Views
So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 942 Views
Re: So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1036 Views
Re: Not really. - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1165 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 949 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 909 Views
Twilight 3 - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1268 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 955 Views
I think most of us will - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 925 Views

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