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Re: Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 04:57:54 AM
It's hard when you're anti-day 1 lynch like I am. (I'm not getting into another discussion on this, FT). I'd elaborate but I'd be opening my mouth like I told myself not to. :P


Day 1 No Lynch is a perfectly decent tactic, whenever your odds of lynching are roughly the same as random it makes sense, personally I'm against it today though.


You gain nothing, and lose something.


A day 1 no lynch has advantages, when you have no viable target to lynch, much like hypocopping it can hurt or help, depending on various factors. Personally, I'm against a no lynch today, that doesn't change the fact that sometimes it makes sense. The best thing you can get out of townie near-random lynch on day 1 is a vote record to use on the DFs later. I really can't think of a case where a random day 1 lynch benefited the town.

You do gain something too, the town has a cop, the cop can make an investigation, about 1 in 3 the cop IDs a DF, that alternate is he clears someone.


Which we only learn if the cop reveals himself. But never mind that, there is never real evidence for anybody on Day 1. Sometimes people think they are, but that can lead to cases like the lynching of Delmaradrid Saighan in whatever number game that was.

More often than not, players enter the second day with no better clues, and one less Lightsider. In case of a random lynch, at least there's a voting record to go by, and the reactions to it. And you're no worse off, because even if you do lynch a Lightsider, it doesn't actually reduce your number of chances at lynching a Darkfriend, as I demonstrated to Fox and Ravens last time.

Ultimately, it's the number of chances you get at lynching Darkfriends that counts, not the number of Lightsiders you have. If you only get two chances at finding the Darkfriend, it doesn't matter if you have five or five thousand Lightsiders - you still only get two chances. Heck, less might be better, because your probabilities are higher.
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Mafia Day one Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 10:53:04 AM 2403 Views
Alright!! Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:58:50 AM 1141 Views
Vote tally Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 11:10:18 AM 1066 Views
Tee hee hee. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 11:18:09 AM 1128 Views
OMGUS - Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Isaac - 30/08/2009 03:03:21 PM 705 Views
Congrats on the acronym by the way *NM* Gher - 31/08/2009 07:08:15 PM 687 Views
Yeah, now that I think about it no one has used it yet Isaac - 01/09/2009 12:29:15 AM 967 Views
All right - new usernames (table) Isaac - 30/08/2009 03:35:59 PM 1110 Views
Well, I'm not playing, but I'll be in next game. Hobo - 31/08/2009 02:37:22 AM 1016 Views
I'll follow Isaac's lead and claim my first name! *NM* mcrumiller - 31/08/2009 10:39:59 PM 755 Views
And by that I mean this. *NM* Marshall - 31/08/2009 10:40:43 PM 696 Views
Got really confused for a second when I saw this post..... Kronin al'Sulc - 30/08/2009 04:34:49 PM 1046 Views
Alrighty!! Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 05:42:17 PM 1142 Views
Hypocopping always sounds like a solid plan to me. Kronin al'Sulc - 30/08/2009 06:28:51 PM 1119 Views
awh, thanks. your SN is cool too *NM* Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 06:30:54 PM 645 Views
You should have changed you name to.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 06:52:46 PM 1114 Views
Haha Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 07:18:10 PM 1047 Views
Well, I confirm that, I'm an Aes Sedai Isaac - 30/08/2009 08:37:32 PM 972 Views
What I really think we should do.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 08:49:04 PM 1077 Views
Okay, that's a bad idea Isaac - 30/08/2009 08:52:42 PM 1040 Views
Yeah. I agree completely. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 09:51:09 PM 1162 Views
Wait... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 10:04:34 PM 1065 Views
Haha. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:09:53 PM 1004 Views
So this means you owe me money, right? Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 09:16:17 PM 1056 Views
Re: So this means you owe me money, right? Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:24:22 PM 1124 Views
Technically Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 09:27:29 PM 1065 Views
Re: Technically Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:42:16 PM 1084 Views
I'm guessing you meant to quote that. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 09:52:21 PM 662 Views
yes, the new format is, well, new *NM* Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:54:36 PM 616 Views
See, now that we have others.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 10:09:00 PM 999 Views
Why are you so dead set on Ajahs anyway? Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 10:15:22 PM 1023 Views
Well.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 10:17:08 PM 996 Views
No way, me too. Kronin al'Sulc - 30/08/2009 11:15:01 PM 1034 Views
Well, I might as well say it Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 12:20:58 AM 1043 Views
So that's three Isaac - 31/08/2009 12:50:31 AM 1100 Views
Yeah, I think we ought to wait to reveal Ajahs Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 12:54:41 AM 1093 Views
Maybe we should just lynch Isaac. Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 07:32:50 PM 1098 Views
Just to address that Isaac - 30/08/2009 08:29:01 PM 1048 Views
Re: Just to address that Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 08:57:17 PM 990 Views
Re: Just to address that Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:01:20 PM 990 Views
I'm going to facepalm . Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 09:22:57 PM 976 Views
LOL, you miss the point Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:27:31 PM 1037 Views
How does it do that? Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 09:30:14 PM 1010 Views
Re: How does it do that? Isaac - 30/08/2009 10:02:33 PM 1119 Views
Re: How does it do that? Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 10:42:39 PM 922 Views
Probably better to just end this line of speculation now Isaac - 31/08/2009 03:02:12 AM 1088 Views
Do you mean that since you can't lie, saying you're for the Tower proves your goodness? Gher - 31/08/2009 01:44:01 AM 928 Views
Or so you say. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 09:53:09 PM 1137 Views
BTW Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 08:43:16 PM 1058 Views
I would suggest you do it anyway so they're at least saved on this site. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:07:26 PM 720 Views
I just sent myself the saved copy I had. Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 10:17:46 PM 1022 Views
The saved copy of the rules we had every game, correct? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:50:10 PM 657 Views
Nope, my personal role message. Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 10:54:33 PM 868 Views
hello fistofpainx - 30/08/2009 09:17:20 PM 1036 Views
Re: hello Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 09:29:51 PM 939 Views
Hahahaha! Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:12:09 PM 917 Views
Game Rules Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 11:45:00 PM 1087 Views
Thank you. That's good to have for this site. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 12:19:53 AM 631 Views
Voting Record (Table) Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 12:43:54 AM 1061 Views
Hey all. Gher - 31/08/2009 01:38:12 AM 889 Views
watch the horizontal scroll guys! *NM* Yunalesca - 31/08/2009 10:25:11 AM 611 Views
Ok.... Napoleon62 - 31/08/2009 02:01:39 PM 1024 Views
Howdy White Flame of Tar Valon - 31/08/2009 04:42:47 PM 938 Views
I still can't see the fuss over Isaac's post Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 05:25:14 PM 1008 Views
It was a misunderstanding, I think Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 06:07:54 PM 985 Views
^Read this^ Rather than the long discussion by Isaac and F-T *NM* Gher - 31/08/2009 07:07:41 PM 608 Views
Yep, that's pretty much it *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/08/2009 09:40:26 PM 578 Views
See, that looks pretty bad for you. Kronin al'Sulc - 31/08/2009 07:37:28 PM 973 Views
I think I have to agree with that Isaac - 31/08/2009 08:49:45 PM 950 Views
Re: I think I have to agree with that Isaac - 31/08/2009 08:50:00 PM 1071 Views
? Never double-posted that way before *NM* Isaac - 31/08/2009 09:15:21 PM 652 Views
Congratulations of discovering new and exciting ways for us to embarrass ourselves . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/08/2009 09:42:49 PM 608 Views
Well, Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 09:00:47 PM 935 Views
I agree here.... Napoleon62 - 31/08/2009 09:11:52 PM 932 Views
He said it was suspicious saying "For the Tower" as opposed to "For the Light". Kronin al'Sulc - 31/08/2009 09:13:25 PM 987 Views
It does look suspicous at this point.... Napoleon62 - 31/08/2009 09:54:56 PM 1004 Views
What do you mean? Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 10:24:53 PM 951 Views
Just.... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 01:37:26 AM 961 Views
Okay, thanks. *NM* Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 01:42:25 AM 633 Views
I see what you mean but hardly agree with it Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 02:05:07 AM 984 Views
It's the best we've got right now. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 02:44:20 AM 961 Views
I've done so much today. Hours of engineering and chem...again. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 02:57:08 AM 678 Views
im here again fistofpainx - 31/08/2009 04:48:28 PM 1044 Views
I'm here Stephen - 31/08/2009 06:16:40 PM 922 Views
What's with everyone switching their usernames to their real names? lol *NM* Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 08:51:23 PM 656 Views
i didn't *NM* Yunalesca - 31/08/2009 09:10:23 PM 680 Views
Well, neither did I. But a lot of people here did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 02:01:06 AM 678 Views
Might as well move along Isaac - 01/09/2009 12:36:28 AM 1006 Views
Tower Alignment (Table) Isaac - 01/09/2009 12:45:59 AM 978 Views
I am Aes Sedai. *NM* Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 02:04:10 PM 623 Views
I'm not an Aes Sedai *NM* Gher - 01/09/2009 07:47:43 PM 667 Views
I'm an AS *NM* Stephen - 01/09/2009 08:19:50 PM 629 Views
Okay. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 02:50:21 PM 1006 Views
Well, WF has had two days to reply, but hasn't even tried to defend himself. Kronin al'Sulc - 01/09/2009 03:24:11 PM 1034 Views
I don't intend to let him get out of it either. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 03:45:31 PM 945 Views
hey there fistofpainx - 01/09/2009 06:54:20 PM 939 Views
Re: I don't intend to let him get out of it either. White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 07:23:00 PM 913 Views
Well, it's easy to mount a defense after you've been told your error.... Kronin al'Sulc - 01/09/2009 07:26:29 PM 976 Views
Re: Well, it's easy to mount a defense after you've been told your error.... White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 07:36:31 PM 901 Views
jk White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 07:37:30 PM 999 Views
Wait, now you're trying to throw the blame on ME? Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 07:45:26 PM 993 Views
See my response to Gher aka I'm lazy. *NM* Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 08:07:35 PM 636 Views
Re: Wait, now you're trying to throw the blame on ME? White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 09:29:46 PM 954 Views
I don't want a repeat of Game 2. Gher - 01/09/2009 07:50:57 PM 980 Views
This is a good point. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 08:06:24 PM 1016 Views
I'd like to add a few point to this. Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:21:27 PM 1019 Views
As soon as he starts getting accused... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 09:49:14 PM 944 Views
What you did was suspicious Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:50:56 PM 939 Views
I wish wotmania were still alive.... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 10:06:03 PM 966 Views
Yeah, and we cut you slack because you were a newbie. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 10:10:34 PM 979 Views
Oh, well... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 10:53:57 PM 924 Views
Well...it doesn't change what your doing Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 11:02:48 PM 910 Views
Yes, but I'm not doing anything wrong... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 11:24:33 PM 966 Views
Not really watching your words does put suspicion on you Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 11:29:52 PM 915 Views
Yes, but Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 02:55:03 AM 937 Views
Re: As soon as he starts getting accused... White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 10:52:03 PM 988 Views
to avoid loads of editing Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 09:22:36 PM 1034 Views
And Isaac is at L-5? I still have my vote up! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:24:29 PM 582 Views
thanks for reminding me Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 09:29:56 PM 940 Views
I'll add in my vote too, Vote: White Flame *NM* Isaac - 04/09/2009 12:15:50 PM 703 Views
All right, I think we need to throw in the towel Isaac - 01/09/2009 09:33:04 PM 1025 Views
I'll trust your judgement here... Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:35:46 PM 1064 Views
nuts Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 09:48:11 PM 1023 Views
Re: nuts Isaac - 01/09/2009 10:24:36 PM 1020 Views
*sigh* Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 10:27:57 PM 949 Views
I still don't think we need to quit. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 10:31:30 PM 1003 Views
If that's what's up then let's keep going. Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 11:04:30 PM 949 Views
Well, I've thrown in my two cents Isaac - 01/09/2009 11:16:23 PM 1019 Views
I don't understand, but.... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 09:52:33 PM 908 Views
Wait a minute. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 10:17:08 PM 984 Views
I don't care if you stop it or not but I'm in the next one *NM* Murtach74 - 01/09/2009 10:57:19 PM 629 Views
Right then Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 10:40:41 PM 910 Views
Guess I'll vote for White Flame as well. Fanatic-Templar - 01/09/2009 11:46:00 PM 1053 Views
I'm torn. Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 03:09:00 AM 867 Views
It's Day 1. Fanatic-Templar - 02/09/2009 05:35:46 AM 1010 Views
I know, that's why I'm torn. Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 08:22:36 PM 973 Views
Well, it seems White Flame might be screwed. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/09/2009 05:53:59 AM 892 Views
Great. Everybody's going to be looking at me tomorrow if WF turns out to be a DF Fox and Ravens - 02/09/2009 07:21:56 AM 902 Views
Re: Great. Everybody's going to be looking at me tomorrow if WF turns out to be a DF White Flame of Tar Valon - 02/09/2009 06:58:22 PM 983 Views
I think you should probably claim. Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 08:24:02 PM 900 Views
I would add my 2 cents here but I'm telling myself to stay out of it. Fox and Ravens - 02/09/2009 09:42:48 PM 918 Views
Re: I would add my 2 cents here but I'm telling myself to stay out of it. Isaac - 02/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 920 Views
Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Fanatic-Templar - 03/09/2009 03:24:43 AM 982 Views
Re: Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Isaac - 03/09/2009 03:59:05 AM 1042 Views
Re: Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Fanatic-Templar - 03/09/2009 04:57:54 AM 966 Views
Who are your warders? Isaac - 02/09/2009 11:10:28 PM 994 Views
Do we want him naming names? Gher - 02/09/2009 11:28:54 PM 925 Views
Not much choice really Isaac - 03/09/2009 12:01:11 AM 968 Views
My claim White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/09/2009 05:04:26 PM 1029 Views
Ok.... Napoleon62 - 03/09/2009 05:08:25 PM 890 Views
It doesn't sound that outlandish to me. Darth_Katie - 03/09/2009 07:11:06 PM 941 Views
Not quite to the level of outlandish, no.... Napoleon62 - 03/09/2009 07:31:49 PM 974 Views
I don't know. Darth_Katie - 03/09/2009 08:02:45 PM 1030 Views
Nor I, but we now have some definite leads to work with Isaac - 04/09/2009 05:13:18 AM 956 Views
I'm not a warder Fox and Ravens - 04/09/2009 01:01:27 PM 895 Views
Re: I'm not a warder Isaac - 04/09/2009 05:03:10 PM 904 Views
Well, don't worry about me voting for WF Fox and Ravens - 04/09/2009 06:07:04 PM 900 Views
That's an excellent point, actually. Darth_Katie - 04/09/2009 07:57:20 PM 885 Views
I am not Aes Sedai, nor Warder. Kronin al'Sulc - 05/09/2009 12:26:01 AM 892 Views
All right, the advised day 1 strategy Isaac - 03/09/2009 01:18:09 AM 948 Views
Sounds Good to Me Darth_Katie - 03/09/2009 02:14:41 AM 953 Views
Re: All right, the advised day 1 strategy Fanatic-Templar - 03/09/2009 03:30:27 AM 965 Views
the situation so far Yunalesca - 04/09/2009 06:02:36 PM 928 Views
Can you keep some kind of constant form for the vote counts? Fox and Ravens - 04/09/2009 06:11:53 PM 954 Views
sorry Yunalesca - 04/09/2009 06:26:17 PM 990 Views
Speaking of votes Isaac - 04/09/2009 07:39:17 PM 1000 Views
RBIRL... Napoleon62 - 04/09/2009 08:00:50 PM 900 Views
my non voting reason fistofpainx - 04/09/2009 11:32:46 PM 923 Views
Not really any reason. Fox and Ravens - 05/09/2009 08:49:00 AM 917 Views
VOTE: White Flame Stephen - 05/09/2009 01:48:23 AM 911 Views
Alright Gher - 05/09/2009 05:09:48 AM 1053 Views
Not really any reason Fox and Ravens - 05/09/2009 08:47:03 AM 977 Views
Crap. Ignore this. Should have been a reply to Isaac. Fox and Ravens - 05/09/2009 08:48:10 AM 874 Views
Twilight Yunalesca - 05/09/2009 10:11:54 AM 1043 Views
Re: Twilight White Flame of Tar Valon - 06/09/2009 05:13:46 AM 953 Views
night has fallen. Yunalesca - 05/09/2009 10:27:26 AM 978 Views
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