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Re: Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 04:57:54 AM
It's hard when you're anti-day 1 lynch like I am. (I'm not getting into another discussion on this, FT). I'd elaborate but I'd be opening my mouth like I told myself not to. :P


Day 1 No Lynch is a perfectly decent tactic, whenever your odds of lynching are roughly the same as random it makes sense, personally I'm against it today though.


You gain nothing, and lose something.


A day 1 no lynch has advantages, when you have no viable target to lynch, much like hypocopping it can hurt or help, depending on various factors. Personally, I'm against a no lynch today, that doesn't change the fact that sometimes it makes sense. The best thing you can get out of townie near-random lynch on day 1 is a vote record to use on the DFs later. I really can't think of a case where a random day 1 lynch benefited the town.

You do gain something too, the town has a cop, the cop can make an investigation, about 1 in 3 the cop IDs a DF, that alternate is he clears someone.


Which we only learn if the cop reveals himself. But never mind that, there is never real evidence for anybody on Day 1. Sometimes people think they are, but that can lead to cases like the lynching of Delmaradrid Saighan in whatever number game that was.

More often than not, players enter the second day with no better clues, and one less Lightsider. In case of a random lynch, at least there's a voting record to go by, and the reactions to it. And you're no worse off, because even if you do lynch a Lightsider, it doesn't actually reduce your number of chances at lynching a Darkfriend, as I demonstrated to Fox and Ravens last time.

Ultimately, it's the number of chances you get at lynching Darkfriends that counts, not the number of Lightsiders you have. If you only get two chances at finding the Darkfriend, it doesn't matter if you have five or five thousand Lightsiders - you still only get two chances. Heck, less might be better, because your probabilities are higher.
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Mafia Day one Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 10:53:04 AM 3039 Views
Alright!! Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:58:50 AM 1653 Views
Vote tally Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 11:10:18 AM 1634 Views
Tee hee hee. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 11:18:09 AM 1666 Views
OMGUS - Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Isaac - 30/08/2009 03:03:21 PM 932 Views
Congrats on the acronym by the way *NM* Gher - 31/08/2009 07:08:15 PM 941 Views
Yeah, now that I think about it no one has used it yet Isaac - 01/09/2009 12:29:15 AM 1472 Views
All right - new usernames (table) Isaac - 30/08/2009 03:35:59 PM 1622 Views
Well, I'm not playing, but I'll be in next game. Hobo - 31/08/2009 02:37:22 AM 1551 Views
I'll follow Isaac's lead and claim my first name! *NM* mcrumiller - 31/08/2009 10:39:59 PM 1021 Views
And by that I mean this. *NM* Marshall - 31/08/2009 10:40:43 PM 940 Views
Got really confused for a second when I saw this post..... Kronin al'Sulc - 30/08/2009 04:34:49 PM 1564 Views
Alrighty!! Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 05:42:17 PM 1617 Views
Hypocopping always sounds like a solid plan to me. Kronin al'Sulc - 30/08/2009 06:28:51 PM 1644 Views
awh, thanks. your SN is cool too *NM* Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 06:30:54 PM 893 Views
You should have changed you name to.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 06:52:46 PM 1678 Views
Haha Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 07:18:10 PM 1577 Views
Well, I confirm that, I'm an Aes Sedai Isaac - 30/08/2009 08:37:32 PM 1525 Views
What I really think we should do.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 08:49:04 PM 1618 Views
Okay, that's a bad idea Isaac - 30/08/2009 08:52:42 PM 1554 Views
Yeah. I agree completely. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 09:51:09 PM 1666 Views
Wait... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 10:04:34 PM 1610 Views
Haha. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:09:53 PM 1532 Views
So this means you owe me money, right? Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 09:16:17 PM 1595 Views
Re: So this means you owe me money, right? Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:24:22 PM 1637 Views
Technically Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 09:27:29 PM 1607 Views
Re: Technically Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:42:16 PM 1614 Views
I'm guessing you meant to quote that. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 09:52:21 PM 908 Views
yes, the new format is, well, new *NM* Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:54:36 PM 895 Views
See, now that we have others.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 10:09:00 PM 1513 Views
Why are you so dead set on Ajahs anyway? Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 10:15:22 PM 1551 Views
Well.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 10:17:08 PM 1476 Views
No way, me too. Kronin al'Sulc - 30/08/2009 11:15:01 PM 1536 Views
Well, I might as well say it Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 12:20:58 AM 1575 Views
So that's three Isaac - 31/08/2009 12:50:31 AM 1628 Views
Yeah, I think we ought to wait to reveal Ajahs Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 12:54:41 AM 1615 Views
Maybe we should just lynch Isaac. Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 07:32:50 PM 1651 Views
Just to address that Isaac - 30/08/2009 08:29:01 PM 1572 Views
Re: Just to address that Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 08:57:17 PM 1506 Views
Re: Just to address that Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:01:20 PM 1532 Views
I'm going to facepalm . Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 09:22:57 PM 1503 Views
LOL, you miss the point Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:27:31 PM 1590 Views
How does it do that? Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 09:30:14 PM 1536 Views
Re: How does it do that? Isaac - 30/08/2009 10:02:33 PM 1666 Views
Re: How does it do that? Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 10:42:39 PM 1466 Views
Probably better to just end this line of speculation now Isaac - 31/08/2009 03:02:12 AM 1631 Views
Do you mean that since you can't lie, saying you're for the Tower proves your goodness? Gher - 31/08/2009 01:44:01 AM 1451 Views
Or so you say. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 09:53:09 PM 1691 Views
BTW Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 08:43:16 PM 1607 Views
I would suggest you do it anyway so they're at least saved on this site. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:07:26 PM 966 Views
I just sent myself the saved copy I had. Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 10:17:46 PM 1580 Views
The saved copy of the rules we had every game, correct? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:50:10 PM 891 Views
Nope, my personal role message. Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 10:54:33 PM 1380 Views
hello fistofpainx - 30/08/2009 09:17:20 PM 1561 Views
Re: hello Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 09:29:51 PM 1445 Views
Hahahaha! Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:12:09 PM 1447 Views
Game Rules Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 11:45:00 PM 1609 Views
Thank you. That's good to have for this site. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 12:19:53 AM 870 Views
Voting Record (Table) Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 12:43:54 AM 1600 Views
Hey all. Gher - 31/08/2009 01:38:12 AM 1400 Views
watch the horizontal scroll guys! *NM* Yunalesca - 31/08/2009 10:25:11 AM 848 Views
Ok.... Napoleon62 - 31/08/2009 02:01:39 PM 1575 Views
Howdy White Flame of Tar Valon - 31/08/2009 04:42:47 PM 1488 Views
I still can't see the fuss over Isaac's post Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 05:25:14 PM 1568 Views
It was a misunderstanding, I think Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 06:07:54 PM 1527 Views
^Read this^ Rather than the long discussion by Isaac and F-T *NM* Gher - 31/08/2009 07:07:41 PM 836 Views
Yep, that's pretty much it *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/08/2009 09:40:26 PM 796 Views
See, that looks pretty bad for you. Kronin al'Sulc - 31/08/2009 07:37:28 PM 1509 Views
I think I have to agree with that Isaac - 31/08/2009 08:49:45 PM 1475 Views
Re: I think I have to agree with that Isaac - 31/08/2009 08:50:00 PM 1608 Views
? Never double-posted that way before *NM* Isaac - 31/08/2009 09:15:21 PM 881 Views
Congratulations of discovering new and exciting ways for us to embarrass ourselves . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/08/2009 09:42:49 PM 837 Views
Well, Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 09:00:47 PM 1449 Views
I agree here.... Napoleon62 - 31/08/2009 09:11:52 PM 1447 Views
He said it was suspicious saying "For the Tower" as opposed to "For the Light". Kronin al'Sulc - 31/08/2009 09:13:25 PM 1501 Views
It does look suspicous at this point.... Napoleon62 - 31/08/2009 09:54:56 PM 1517 Views
What do you mean? Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 10:24:53 PM 1466 Views
Just.... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 01:37:26 AM 1484 Views
Okay, thanks. *NM* Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 01:42:25 AM 872 Views
I see what you mean but hardly agree with it Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 02:05:07 AM 1518 Views
It's the best we've got right now. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 02:44:20 AM 1448 Views
I've done so much today. Hours of engineering and chem...again. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 02:57:08 AM 916 Views
im here again fistofpainx - 31/08/2009 04:48:28 PM 1593 Views
I'm here Stephen - 31/08/2009 06:16:40 PM 1441 Views
What's with everyone switching their usernames to their real names? lol *NM* Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 08:51:23 PM 883 Views
i didn't *NM* Yunalesca - 31/08/2009 09:10:23 PM 915 Views
Well, neither did I. But a lot of people here did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 02:01:06 AM 913 Views
Might as well move along Isaac - 01/09/2009 12:36:28 AM 1544 Views
Tower Alignment (Table) Isaac - 01/09/2009 12:45:59 AM 1502 Views
I am Aes Sedai. *NM* Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 02:04:10 PM 873 Views
I'm not an Aes Sedai *NM* Gher - 01/09/2009 07:47:43 PM 913 Views
I'm an AS *NM* Stephen - 01/09/2009 08:19:50 PM 867 Views
Okay. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 02:50:21 PM 1534 Views
Well, WF has had two days to reply, but hasn't even tried to defend himself. Kronin al'Sulc - 01/09/2009 03:24:11 PM 1582 Views
I don't intend to let him get out of it either. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 03:45:31 PM 1496 Views
hey there fistofpainx - 01/09/2009 06:54:20 PM 1476 Views
Re: I don't intend to let him get out of it either. White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 07:23:00 PM 1442 Views
Well, it's easy to mount a defense after you've been told your error.... Kronin al'Sulc - 01/09/2009 07:26:29 PM 1513 Views
Re: Well, it's easy to mount a defense after you've been told your error.... White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 07:36:31 PM 1444 Views
jk White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 07:37:30 PM 1536 Views
Wait, now you're trying to throw the blame on ME? Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 07:45:26 PM 1519 Views
See my response to Gher aka I'm lazy. *NM* Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 08:07:35 PM 881 Views
Re: Wait, now you're trying to throw the blame on ME? White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 09:29:46 PM 1467 Views
I don't want a repeat of Game 2. Gher - 01/09/2009 07:50:57 PM 1537 Views
This is a good point. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 08:06:24 PM 1560 Views
I'd like to add a few point to this. Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:21:27 PM 1556 Views
As soon as he starts getting accused... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 09:49:14 PM 1464 Views
What you did was suspicious Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:50:56 PM 1461 Views
I wish wotmania were still alive.... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 10:06:03 PM 1485 Views
Yeah, and we cut you slack because you were a newbie. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 10:10:34 PM 1497 Views
Oh, well... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 10:53:57 PM 1438 Views
Well...it doesn't change what your doing Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 11:02:48 PM 1463 Views
Yes, but I'm not doing anything wrong... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 11:24:33 PM 1519 Views
Not really watching your words does put suspicion on you Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 11:29:52 PM 1451 Views
Yes, but Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 02:55:03 AM 1476 Views
Re: As soon as he starts getting accused... White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 10:52:03 PM 1528 Views
to avoid loads of editing Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 09:22:36 PM 1581 Views
And Isaac is at L-5? I still have my vote up! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:24:29 PM 809 Views
thanks for reminding me Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 09:29:56 PM 1477 Views
I'll add in my vote too, Vote: White Flame *NM* Isaac - 04/09/2009 12:15:50 PM 926 Views
All right, I think we need to throw in the towel Isaac - 01/09/2009 09:33:04 PM 1568 Views
I'll trust your judgement here... Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:35:46 PM 1610 Views
nuts Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 09:48:11 PM 1535 Views
Re: nuts Isaac - 01/09/2009 10:24:36 PM 1587 Views
*sigh* Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 10:27:57 PM 1484 Views
I still don't think we need to quit. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 10:31:30 PM 1549 Views
If that's what's up then let's keep going. Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 11:04:30 PM 1471 Views
Well, I've thrown in my two cents Isaac - 01/09/2009 11:16:23 PM 1559 Views
I don't understand, but.... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 09:52:33 PM 1402 Views
Wait a minute. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 10:17:08 PM 1507 Views
I don't care if you stop it or not but I'm in the next one *NM* Murtach74 - 01/09/2009 10:57:19 PM 848 Views
Right then Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 10:40:41 PM 1428 Views
Guess I'll vote for White Flame as well. Fanatic-Templar - 01/09/2009 11:46:00 PM 1621 Views
I'm torn. Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 03:09:00 AM 1385 Views
It's Day 1. Fanatic-Templar - 02/09/2009 05:35:46 AM 1555 Views
I know, that's why I'm torn. Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 08:22:36 PM 1505 Views
Well, it seems White Flame might be screwed. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/09/2009 05:53:59 AM 1432 Views
Great. Everybody's going to be looking at me tomorrow if WF turns out to be a DF Fox and Ravens - 02/09/2009 07:21:56 AM 1434 Views
Re: Great. Everybody's going to be looking at me tomorrow if WF turns out to be a DF White Flame of Tar Valon - 02/09/2009 06:58:22 PM 1531 Views
I think you should probably claim. Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 08:24:02 PM 1421 Views
I would add my 2 cents here but I'm telling myself to stay out of it. Fox and Ravens - 02/09/2009 09:42:48 PM 1428 Views
Re: I would add my 2 cents here but I'm telling myself to stay out of it. Isaac - 02/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1436 Views
Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Fanatic-Templar - 03/09/2009 03:24:43 AM 1510 Views
Re: Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Isaac - 03/09/2009 03:59:05 AM 1545 Views
Re: Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Fanatic-Templar - 03/09/2009 04:57:54 AM 1534 Views
Who are your warders? Isaac - 02/09/2009 11:10:28 PM 1500 Views
Do we want him naming names? Gher - 02/09/2009 11:28:54 PM 1429 Views
Not much choice really Isaac - 03/09/2009 12:01:11 AM 1493 Views
My claim White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/09/2009 05:04:26 PM 1564 Views
Ok.... Napoleon62 - 03/09/2009 05:08:25 PM 1385 Views
It doesn't sound that outlandish to me. Darth_Katie - 03/09/2009 07:11:06 PM 1450 Views
Not quite to the level of outlandish, no.... Napoleon62 - 03/09/2009 07:31:49 PM 1509 Views
I don't know. Darth_Katie - 03/09/2009 08:02:45 PM 1576 Views
Nor I, but we now have some definite leads to work with Isaac - 04/09/2009 05:13:18 AM 1490 Views
I'm not a warder Fox and Ravens - 04/09/2009 01:01:27 PM 1427 Views
Re: I'm not a warder Isaac - 04/09/2009 05:03:10 PM 1414 Views
Well, don't worry about me voting for WF Fox and Ravens - 04/09/2009 06:07:04 PM 1393 Views
That's an excellent point, actually. Darth_Katie - 04/09/2009 07:57:20 PM 1403 Views
I am not Aes Sedai, nor Warder. Kronin al'Sulc - 05/09/2009 12:26:01 AM 1403 Views
All right, the advised day 1 strategy Isaac - 03/09/2009 01:18:09 AM 1530 Views
Sounds Good to Me Darth_Katie - 03/09/2009 02:14:41 AM 1502 Views
Re: All right, the advised day 1 strategy Fanatic-Templar - 03/09/2009 03:30:27 AM 1506 Views
the situation so far Yunalesca - 04/09/2009 06:02:36 PM 1445 Views
Can you keep some kind of constant form for the vote counts? Fox and Ravens - 04/09/2009 06:11:53 PM 1455 Views
sorry Yunalesca - 04/09/2009 06:26:17 PM 1507 Views
Speaking of votes Isaac - 04/09/2009 07:39:17 PM 1507 Views
RBIRL... Napoleon62 - 04/09/2009 08:00:50 PM 1401 Views
my non voting reason fistofpainx - 04/09/2009 11:32:46 PM 1435 Views
Not really any reason. Fox and Ravens - 05/09/2009 08:49:00 AM 1419 Views
VOTE: White Flame Stephen - 05/09/2009 01:48:23 AM 1399 Views
Alright Gher - 05/09/2009 05:09:48 AM 1563 Views
Not really any reason Fox and Ravens - 05/09/2009 08:47:03 AM 1497 Views
Crap. Ignore this. Should have been a reply to Isaac. Fox and Ravens - 05/09/2009 08:48:10 AM 1410 Views
Twilight Yunalesca - 05/09/2009 10:11:54 AM 1556 Views
Re: Twilight White Flame of Tar Valon - 06/09/2009 05:13:46 AM 1472 Views
night has fallen. Yunalesca - 05/09/2009 10:27:26 AM 1504 Views
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