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Re: Different situation Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 04:48:30 AM
As I said, maybe I am the exception not the rule, I still think most people keep tabs on the game, if I am wrong, then I'm wrong, but your trying to flip this into an accusation, can you honestly say you think it would be weird for me to keep tabs on games posthumously and assume others do too? Because if not, then there is nothing weird about the accusation I leveled. You are correct, you were rather busy in that period of time, but as I said, it's not my job to point such things out, it's yours. If it's not weird for you not to keep track of major events in a game, why would you expect me to remember you were busy? You could have simply said 'Isaac, you may pay attention to games when dead, I do not' but you turned it into a major accusation instead. It's everything you accused me of and then some.


Oh, I would not doubt you if you said you keep paying attention to the games after you die (though you rarely die with much of the game left to witness :P), but that's just the point. You are claiming that I lied because my statement constitutes a breach of your character. To be fair, I did follow the games attentively back when they were smaller.

And besides, I said I did not pay attention to the game after I died. Would adding 'but you may' to that really have changed the affirmation? You still have to take my word on it.

I was a DF, and let's remember the context there, we were talking about how some comments you made set off my concerns you might have seen through to the 'no night 1 NK' option. That was day 3, this is day 1, entirely different mechanics. Further, you know I like to keep SKs alive, they are more likely to kill townies, but I got bit by that once with DK, and Gher has a habit of trying to kill me, lynching him instead of you made more sense, and I couldn't have got one on you. I wanted to lynch Hobo too but that wasn't going to happen, I'm still amazed we got Bergioyn. Day 1 is not the same as late game.

Here you admit that you did want to see me dead last game, and yet Darth Katie's voting record (http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/60388/) shows that you did not vote for me.


There was no legitimate excuse to vote for you. God knows I tried to delay and shift, but it wasn't doable. In the end, I assumed Gher was the SK and you were town, and that it made more sense to lynch him and NK you. I wanted Gher dead too, your analogy doesn't apply. He had a NK, it made more sense to take him out in the daytime. I can't kill two people at once FT, he was the better option.


Oh of course. My point was simply that you could hesitate to vote for me depending on the circumstances, which invalidates your 'If I was eager to lynch you I would vote for you' WiFoM. Clearly I can only know your circumstances in hindsight, once the game is over. Certainly, if you are a Darkfriend you would know I am not, and might be unwilling to invest yourself too directly and too strongly in my demise. Or maybe not. According to your prior argument, you're the one who has to provide the reasons, not I?
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Rafo Mafia 4: Day 1 has ended. - 27/01/2010 05:53:50 PM 3684 Views
Message received! - 27/01/2010 06:27:15 PM 1723 Views
By lynching Isaac! - 27/01/2010 06:48:02 PM 1628 Views
Ready to go. *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:36:35 PM 964 Views
Got it! *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:43:59 PM 950 Views
Got mine. Wow, we really have nothing to go on, do we? *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:03:28 PM 937 Views
For reals, it doesn't get much more minimal than that! *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:16:44 PM 966 Views
This is a confirmation of the prompt receival of said role message. - 27/01/2010 08:30:45 PM 1664 Views
You made it up - 27/01/2010 09:01:31 PM 1622 Views
Hmm ... - 27/01/2010 09:21:59 PM 1721 Views
Ha. - 28/01/2010 01:28:27 AM 1541 Views
It sounds like a real word. - 28/01/2010 01:55:58 AM 1632 Views
That's because it sounds like "retrieval" - 28/01/2010 02:01:47 AM 1599 Views
This is true. *NM* - 28/01/2010 02:17:52 AM 984 Views
Also 'reception'. - 28/01/2010 01:22:27 AM 1633 Views
I got mine. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:49 PM 949 Views
ready to win *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:29:52 PM 1009 Views
I got mine!! *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:45:45 PM 958 Views
Here, received *NM* - 27/01/2010 11:01:43 PM 931 Views
Got it!! - 27/01/2010 11:34:57 PM 1563 Views
Got it - 28/01/2010 01:59:00 AM 1681 Views
yup *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:13:37 AM 931 Views
You know, I'm still irritated we haven't been able to come up with a good R1 system - 28/01/2010 07:08:22 AM 1597 Views
R1? - 28/01/2010 01:59:45 PM 1631 Views
Day 1 - 28/01/2010 02:29:42 PM 1618 Views
Right, Day 1, I meant to type D1... - 28/01/2010 05:52:57 PM 1576 Views
Well, lacking anything else... - 28/01/2010 11:58:25 PM 1749 Views
I haven't the faintest idea what they mean. - 29/01/2010 01:30:19 AM 1668 Views
I'm guessing they're an acronym. *NM* - 29/01/2010 01:44:37 AM 984 Views
I got letters and/or numbers - 29/01/2010 01:58:52 AM 1752 Views
Not really - 29/01/2010 02:27:05 AM 1687 Views
Let's try something - 29/01/2010 02:47:30 AM 1614 Views
Re: Let's try something - 29/01/2010 03:07:36 AM 1600 Views
alrighty then - 29/01/2010 03:29:51 AM 1662 Views
That's sufficient, thanks - 29/01/2010 03:48:11 AM 1528 Views
Yea, my message has all that. - 29/01/2010 03:56:52 AM 1673 Views
Probably - 29/01/2010 04:10:42 AM 1600 Views
Re: Probably - 29/01/2010 07:30:48 AM 1547 Views
True- most DFs would wait a bit, and be like the 4th or 5th to jump in - 29/01/2010 08:19:43 AM 1616 Views
I've got MPD - 29/01/2010 04:22:00 AM 1628 Views
Surprise, surprise: I do too. - 29/01/2010 06:21:04 AM 1599 Views
Remember when we killed the Serial Killer on Day 1? That was fun. Let's do that! *NM* - 29/01/2010 08:20:24 AM 925 Views
GREAT. - 29/01/2010 11:23:06 PM 1559 Views
Seconded. - 30/01/2010 03:46:21 AM 1629 Views
I have MPD and number under 14. *NM* - 29/01/2010 06:18:59 AM 1005 Views
Me too, but... - 29/01/2010 04:04:35 PM 1592 Views
I doubt there is anything else. - 29/01/2010 11:09:02 PM 1688 Views
I have MPD and number under 14 as well - 29/01/2010 08:08:57 PM 1597 Views
MPD #1 - 30/01/2010 02:57:35 AM 1522 Views
I like to think of the first kill as a sacrifice to the Gods of Mafia - 30/01/2010 04:14:17 AM 1614 Views
Re: I like to think of the first kill as a sacrifice to the Gods of Mafia - 30/01/2010 04:27:53 AM 1590 Views
High priests cannot be sacrificed! - 30/01/2010 04:53:38 PM 1525 Views
Ha, that's what YOU think. - 30/01/2010 05:15:44 PM 1612 Views
Some cultures, they make the best sacrifices - 30/01/2010 05:47:46 PM 1624 Views
Hm... let's rule out F&R, too - 30/01/2010 06:46:27 PM 1679 Views
This is sort of what I mean - 30/01/2010 08:02:17 PM 1548 Views
I think I am most suspicious of Blaine right now - 30/01/2010 07:49:03 PM 1611 Views
Yeah, silence isn't neccessarily damning in this case - 30/01/2010 11:15:09 PM 1552 Views
I want to roleclaim. - 30/01/2010 07:08:11 PM 1606 Views
That is, well, surprising - 30/01/2010 08:28:04 PM 1669 Views
Yeah, but I think it's best to do it now. - 30/01/2010 09:38:49 PM 1540 Views
That sounds like solid reasoning to me - 30/01/2010 10:07:05 PM 1651 Views
It is good reasoning. - 30/01/2010 11:24:31 PM 1520 Views
RBIRL for the next week or so. - 01/02/2010 01:02:48 AM 1677 Views
Wrong place - 01/02/2010 01:06:57 AM 1491 Views
this is an odd development - 30/01/2010 09:19:03 PM 1625 Views
Not to my knowledge, no. *NM* - 30/01/2010 09:35:02 PM 895 Views
Hm. I wonder if we're all robots inside of a Mafia simulator. *NM* - 30/01/2010 11:20:25 PM 877 Views
There's an idea. - 30/01/2010 11:25:56 PM 1579 Views
AI gone rogue could easily be an SK... *NM* - 31/01/2010 12:42:19 AM 862 Views
Goddamn, do I hate Miller roles. - 31/01/2010 12:39:32 AM 1708 Views
Well, I'm back... - 31/01/2010 01:43:17 AM 1604 Views
Why do fencers keep appearing without me knowing of it?!? - 31/01/2010 02:48:22 AM 1630 Views
Sabre... - 31/01/2010 03:18:12 AM 1629 Views
HELL YEAH! - 31/01/2010 08:39:52 AM 1641 Views
Oh, and I had my first real tournament today... - 31/01/2010 03:23:45 AM 1636 Views
Huzzah! - 31/01/2010 04:41:02 AM 1592 Views
How about a club with a nail in it? - 31/01/2010 05:50:18 AM 1590 Views
Eh. Just don't listen to Issac too much. - 31/01/2010 04:47:53 AM 1585 Views
I wanna say F-T, just cause I hate Millers. - 31/01/2010 05:10:07 AM 1536 Views
But do you think a DF would try something that DFs already did in the game we just played? - 31/01/2010 05:53:24 AM 1604 Views
And on a third hand... - 31/01/2010 07:00:22 AM 1669 Views
So... back to neutral. *NM* - 31/01/2010 03:27:58 PM 829 Views
You don't find that statement dubious? - 31/01/2010 04:14:47 PM 1595 Views
Yeah, that's a bit fishy. *NM* - 31/01/2010 04:18:17 PM 874 Views
Yeah it is... - 31/01/2010 04:55:29 PM 1680 Views
You make a fair point. - 31/01/2010 04:38:44 PM 1645 Views
I knew Yunalseca was a Darkfriend... - 31/01/2010 07:17:33 PM 1566 Views
Everyone! Deep breaths... - 31/01/2010 11:50:39 PM 1580 Views
That's a pretty big thing to forget though. - 01/02/2010 01:39:44 AM 1558 Views
Re: That's a pretty big thing to forget though. - 01/02/2010 01:59:16 AM 1571 Views
Who said anything about forgetting? - 01/02/2010 02:53:49 AM 1614 Views
It brings you protection from guilty Cop results. *NM* - 01/02/2010 03:01:22 AM 1008 Views
And among that, - 01/02/2010 04:54:26 AM 1671 Views
No... - 01/02/2010 06:25:07 AM 1607 Views
Man... I hate defending people I'm not sure about - 01/02/2010 07:14:13 AM 1613 Views
I agree with beet here. - 01/02/2010 07:42:12 AM 1574 Views
Offer alternatives then - 01/02/2010 11:18:47 AM 1625 Views
I didn't mean we shouldn't reference strategies from earlier games - 01/02/2010 02:23:26 PM 1606 Views
Oh, that's what you're talking about. *NM* - 01/02/2010 12:27:30 PM 892 Views
I agree, more or less - 31/01/2010 05:55:11 AM 1629 Views
Re: I agree, more or less - 31/01/2010 03:34:10 PM 1630 Views
Tracker is a role that sees who his target performs a Night Action on... - 31/01/2010 03:49:24 PM 1501 Views
Idk what all this talk about a Tracker is over. - 31/01/2010 04:17:17 PM 1538 Views
I was the one who said it. - 31/01/2010 04:39:53 PM 1617 Views
Re: I agree, more or less - 31/01/2010 04:19:33 PM 1575 Views
Re: I agree, more or less - 31/01/2010 07:41:07 PM 1588 Views
That's a standard Miller. - 31/01/2010 07:46:33 PM 1614 Views
The reason people say I should die... - 31/01/2010 07:40:38 PM 1686 Views
I don't think Gher made a lot of changes. - 31/01/2010 04:23:42 PM 1674 Views
Eh. I think this is going to end like Hopper. - 31/01/2010 11:58:52 PM 1574 Views
What I don't like is the fact that Millers are often not told they're Millers. - 01/02/2010 12:08:14 AM 1600 Views
Well, he could still be Mafia and have appropriate flavor. - 01/02/2010 01:46:58 AM 1612 Views
I'm just trying to take everything into account. - 01/02/2010 02:33:15 AM 1583 Views
I know, I'm just sayin' *NM* - 01/02/2010 02:53:31 AM 903 Views
We can't just lynch Isaac on the off chance that he might be a DF. - 31/01/2010 05:42:08 AM 1600 Views
Sure we could - 31/01/2010 05:26:43 PM 1554 Views
Alright, from my reading, - 31/01/2010 10:53:52 PM 1601 Views
I don't think we should reveal numbers yet - 01/02/2010 12:05:07 AM 1452 Views
Yeah, number revelation would probably not be the best thing... - 01/02/2010 12:19:49 AM 1612 Views
RBIRL for the next week or so - 01/02/2010 01:08:53 AM 1650 Views
RE: I didn't mean we shouldn't reference strategies from earlier games (horizontal scroll avoidance) - 01/02/2010 02:46:35 PM 1707 Views
Oh, I totally agree - 01/02/2010 05:07:32 PM 1519 Views
I agree too. - 01/02/2010 05:18:58 PM 1607 Views
I really just meant that I don't think F-T's claim of not knowing about Yuna's claim is - 01/02/2010 06:16:11 PM 1585 Views
* is not enough, typo in above message *NM* - 01/02/2010 06:16:45 PM 1053 Views
You still haven't explained what the purpose of such a lie would be. - 01/02/2010 07:15:35 PM 1545 Views
I think the rationale was this: - 01/02/2010 07:38:41 PM 1515 Views
That's a good breakdown - 01/02/2010 07:58:44 PM 1562 Views
Beg Pardon? - 01/02/2010 08:07:20 PM 1564 Views
Oof, I meant Cop, not tracker - 01/02/2010 08:41:56 PM 1931 Views
It's true, Isaac likes to be a leader, rather than a doer. *NM* - 01/02/2010 11:17:02 PM 906 Views
Coward. *NM* - 01/02/2010 11:17:21 PM 934 Views
LOL, it's not like I twiddle my thumbs Kronin - 02/02/2010 12:53:26 AM 1563 Views
Kidding, kidding. Forgot a *NM* - 02/02/2010 01:25:55 AM 855 Views
Er... what just happened, here? *NM* - 02/02/2010 12:55:51 AM 970 Views
I made a pointless post, decided to turn it into a semi-sarcastic insult. - 02/02/2010 01:27:48 AM 1583 Views
There's not really anything to explain - 01/02/2010 09:20:57 PM 1620 Views
Re: There's not really anything to explain - 01/02/2010 10:03:57 PM 1596 Views
Re: There's not really anything to explain - 01/02/2010 10:33:49 PM 1658 Views
Re: There's not really anything to explain - 01/02/2010 11:11:37 PM 1631 Views
Maybe you should ask one of the others to explain this to me - 02/02/2010 12:01:48 AM 1555 Views
Re: Maybe you should ask one of the others to explain this to me - 02/02/2010 01:15:41 AM 1603 Views
Different situation - 02/02/2010 01:39:15 AM 1633 Views
Re: Different situation - 02/02/2010 04:48:30 AM 1621 Views
What, is the shadow in amador still going? - 02/02/2010 08:09:41 PM 1674 Views
It's very still going. - 03/02/2010 11:41:13 PM 1449 Views
Right, so: A New Target - 01/02/2010 08:03:28 PM 1748 Views
Re: Right, so: A New Target - 01/02/2010 08:20:06 PM 1518 Views
Re: Right, so: A New Target *NM* - 01/02/2010 08:48:25 PM 843 Views
Message get eaten? *NM* - 01/02/2010 09:21:34 PM 883 Views
Apparantly... It was just a minor thing, lemme see if I remember... - 02/02/2010 12:44:28 AM 1607 Views
Right, so: Defending Myself - 01/02/2010 11:30:38 PM 1692 Views
Accusations should not be mutually exclusive - 01/02/2010 11:50:45 PM 1593 Views
F-T will not disppear, but I feel like that what he wants. - 02/02/2010 12:25:33 AM 1672 Views
Shrug. Someone asked for alternatives, I came up with one - 02/02/2010 12:37:28 AM 1741 Views
RBIRL - 02/02/2010 01:30:41 AM 1493 Views
Hmm...more accusations beyond beet's - 02/02/2010 06:02:51 AM 1562 Views
That's interesting. - 02/02/2010 02:09:52 PM 1613 Views
Re: That's interesting. - 02/02/2010 05:19:47 PM 1554 Views
Fair question, but it's actually pretty straightforward. - 02/02/2010 04:41:18 PM 1726 Views
Your logic isn't terrible... - 02/02/2010 04:54:54 PM 1507 Views
Re: Your logic isn't terrible... - 02/02/2010 05:42:43 PM 1579 Views
Re: Your logic isn't terrible... - 02/02/2010 08:42:27 PM 1673 Views
Re: Your logic isn't terrible... - 02/02/2010 09:05:29 PM 1565 Views
Oh you mathematicians. - 02/02/2010 09:24:55 PM 1509 Views
Re: The random thing - 02/02/2010 04:59:42 PM 1730 Views
Nah, I anticipated this would make me the prime lynch candidate. - 02/02/2010 08:48:19 PM 1696 Views
This is sort of deja vu - 02/02/2010 10:37:57 PM 1628 Views
We need to invent a new role: "Itchy Trigger Finger" - 02/02/2010 11:21:46 PM 1563 Views
Okay, so I've been reading, but I kept meaning to post on my comp. Sorry. - 02/02/2010 06:21:12 AM 1650 Views
I never tried to stop any discussion - 02/02/2010 12:46:54 PM 1625 Views
Kronin is at least as suspicious as Issac, or F-T - 02/02/2010 05:09:56 PM 1612 Views
That's pretty bold claim of intention. - 02/02/2010 05:18:40 PM 1604 Views
Perhaps I meant more that they've picked an inclination? - 02/02/2010 05:50:26 PM 1560 Views
Hmm. - 03/02/2010 09:20:50 PM 1665 Views
Re: Hmm. - 04/02/2010 07:08:35 PM 1609 Views
I don't think we should clear F-T just yet... - 02/02/2010 08:18:22 PM 1626 Views
Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 04:36:52 AM 1681 Views
Fair enough, though I think we should give it some more time. - 03/02/2010 05:16:40 AM 1613 Views
What's funny is that at first I thought F-T was voting for YOU - 03/02/2010 07:12:39 AM 1576 Views
Re: Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 03:13:57 PM 1715 Views
Speaking of time... - 03/02/2010 03:28:42 PM 1657 Views
Only if it starts to grind to a halt. *NM* - 03/02/2010 04:50:32 PM 957 Views
Re: Only if it starts to grind to a halt. - 03/02/2010 06:52:54 PM 1677 Views
Yes. - 03/02/2010 07:55:54 PM 1639 Views
Sounds like a good system to me. *NM* - 03/02/2010 09:22:15 PM 913 Views
Those are basically my exact thoughts on the matter as well *NM* - 03/02/2010 09:12:35 PM 933 Views
Er... IS it active? I feel like we've kinda exhausted everything - 03/02/2010 11:19:29 PM 1530 Views
Hahaha. well, it was! - 04/02/2010 12:59:13 AM 1540 Views
Unless that's what he wants us to think... *NM* - 04/02/2010 01:06:43 AM 873 Views
Exactly. - 04/02/2010 01:20:54 AM 1642 Views
"No lynch" is a bad idea. At the very least, let's lynch someone random *NM* - 04/02/2010 04:07:00 AM 917 Views
So you'd rather lynch someone random over F-T? Why? - 04/02/2010 04:35:40 AM 1638 Views
Because I think F-T is almost definitely not a DF - 04/02/2010 06:58:15 AM 1623 Views
Re: Because I think F-T is almost definitely not a DF - 04/02/2010 07:07:37 AM 1496 Views
Well, yeah- a chance of getting a DF is better than no chance at all - 04/02/2010 07:04:27 PM 1584 Views
But there is a chance F-T is a DF. - 04/02/2010 07:34:37 PM 1555 Views
Fair enough... - 04/02/2010 07:49:26 PM 1546 Views
I agree with D_K actually - 04/02/2010 08:32:09 PM 1647 Views
Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 09:42:01 PM 1594 Views
Hah! Time-delayed RCs, I love it *NM* - 04/02/2010 11:17:35 PM 893 Views
You think F-T has less than a 29% (4/14) chance to be a DF? - 04/02/2010 08:55:34 PM 1510 Views
If a given random person is 30%, then yes, I think F-T is 29% or less - 04/02/2010 11:20:26 PM 1600 Views
Re: Because I think F-T is almost definitely not a DF - 04/02/2010 08:29:03 PM 1519 Views
Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 08:58:16 PM 1606 Views
Re: Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 09:28:09 PM 1483 Views
I regret that I have only one life to give to the Light... - 04/02/2010 11:00:56 PM 1613 Views
You know, you're still at L-3. - 04/02/2010 11:14:40 PM 1788 Views
L-2, as it were. - 04/02/2010 11:41:10 PM 1563 Views
Just had to make me incorrect? - 04/02/2010 11:55:02 PM 1526 Views
I couldn't resist. *NM* - 05/02/2010 01:07:59 AM 897 Views
- 05/02/2010 01:15:51 AM 1638 Views
Well, neither Bergioyn or Blaine have weighed in for a while. - 05/02/2010 01:38:05 AM 1624 Views
Mafia > schooling. - 05/02/2010 01:42:17 AM 1546 Views
No, it's actually L-1 - 05/02/2010 03:17:32 AM 1753 Views
Wrong again. - 05/02/2010 03:23:29 AM 1564 Views
Yeah, but I wasn't sure if I'd still be alive next time I came around . - 05/02/2010 03:12:19 AM 1557 Views
- 05/02/2010 12:20:04 AM 1638 Views
I don't anyone will target you with a night action tonight, frankly. - 05/02/2010 03:14:26 AM 1586 Views
Fanatic-Templar has been lynched. - 05/02/2010 03:54:43 AM 1653 Views
I want to say one non-game related thing - 07/02/2010 06:21:40 PM 1591 Views

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