I don't want to bother wasting anytime over beet. There were only two people to blame for his death, himself and the RBer. He talked himself into that lynch, then his RC - I still think he was lying about not realizing it was important, I don't know, it was so blatantly false no one believed it and we shouldn't have, but we gave him a chance for everyone to claim RB, we even listed in detail why the RBer would be safe from NK and lynch. I do not understand the reasoning there, it was a surefire way to become prob-town, we wouldn't have lynched them, even if we didn't believe it and still went with beet then they'd be clear now, so their reasoning surprises me. Regardless, we must assume everyone who voted for beet, excluding the RBer if they were one which I doubt, did it because they thought he was non-town, even the DFs and or SK if they voted probably thought so, so we won't get very far examining motives on that score.

One bizarre possibility worth raising is that the RBer might be a DF, and that beet was his backup, winning with the town unless he died then becoming the DF RBer. This seems ridiculous but would explain the RBers silence, and it considering our sheer number of implied roles I have to assume the DF side is a bit up-gunned themselves.

Okay, our deaths. Hobo and Hieshyn. A mason and a vanilla. This means are confirmed list of roles thus far is:

Backup Cop 1x
Backup Roleblocker 1x
Doctor 1x
Mason 1x
Miller 1x
Vanilla 1x

We really can't be sure there even is a cop, a roleblocker, or another mason as any of these may be red-herrings. However, for the moment let's assume their are 10 townies and that the roles aren't red herrings.

The other Mason
The Cop
The Roleblocker
A backup doc

It seems plausible we'd have a back up doc, now, note how that puts us at ten, and I think it's unlikely we have more then 10 townies with all these roles. Could we have more roles or vanillas? Yes, absolutely. The other end of that mason bond could be a vanilla mason, or it could be a DF or a player role. Let's not jump to conclude anything there, Gher is unlikely to include masons in the game unaware of their past usage so that other mason might be multiple masons, might be vanilla, role, DF, SK, etc. I could easily see a backup role being a mason, we also may not have a backup doc, that may simply be wishful thinking with the backups on cop and Rber, but while a backup cop serves a pro-town purpose, frankly a town RBer does not and a back up certainly didn't, and I doubt Gher did not realize their weaknesses anymore then the miller. So we could have other roles, other vanillas, etc. I'm leery of mass claims at this point, I suppose we should go ahead and hypocop. I'm not sure what to advise on that. There's no need to huddle around the people suggested yesterday, obviously, so you should pick people you'd have been inclined to investigate, just make sure not to dis-include Hobo or Hieshyn and if you list them than list them innocent. Obviously don't hypocop someone you've already hypocopped. Probably determine guilt as straight 50/50 on everyone else, after all we probably are 4 town 4 baddie at the moment. Which more or less confirms we have a third faction, not a vig or a mafia don. We could be 4-4 town vs DF with a vig but not likely. None of our four NKs have been suspicious so I can't see a vig whacking them, and otherwise the game would be over.

So we should assume we only have 4 townies left and most of those will be mason, roled mason, RBer, backup doc, and cop but let's not discount the possibility of additional vanillas or roles, nor automatically assume our mason is a DF. THe good news is, with a SK, cult, whatever running around we have less to fear from NKs. Half the surviving players are non-town, probably, so tonights NKs and todays lynch are much more likely to hit a bad guy. We need to basically assist the bad guys find the good guys so they can kill them and not us along with avoiding another mislynch. So basically our goal today is to try to prob-town people and hope random lynch and NK on the remainder will net some non-town.

I should say, I don't want to muck up much today, I see no reason for Day 3 to take more than a week or so, I prefer out more blitz-oriented game anyway.

Also, I can appreciate how under the circumstances the RBer and the mason might be leery of claiming, but it is necessary and you will have to eventually so better to do it sooner than later.