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Bergoiyn already had an ironclad claim though. Darth_Katie Send a noteboard - 16/03/2010 03:59:44 AM
If you're a DF, and you suspect Bergioyn, why also suspect ranagrande?

See, those are good points on ranagrande, they don't sound off-the-cuff, which means you actually suspect him, but do so even though it's obvious you think Bergioyn is a killer. Now if Bergioyn isn't on your team, and he's obviously Tank faction, why suspect ranagrande of anything? We don't have two SKs, wouldn't you take as a given that Bergioyn was the SK, what with claiming a killing role? Making ranagrande innocent.

But that doesn't do it, no, because Bergioyn was clearly expecting a vig claim, he has an ally, he can not be an arsonist, he can not be a SK.


Everyone was all set to believe him that he was a Mason. Why take the risk of that extra claim? I have difficulty seeing a DF or a SK do that. Bergioyn was expecting a Vig claim, but Beet was expecting a RB claim too, and he turned out to be innocent. I'm starting to feel a bit paranoid because I'm considering the possibility that Gher's rigged this game to purposefully lead us astray with a bunch of roles that don't exist ... back-up RBers and Vigs with no real RBers and Vigs, a Miller with no Cop, maybe even a Firefighter for no Arsonist. (8 Hopefully this is not the case, but if not then there's something screwy going on. Usually Townies are too honest for their own good ... I have difficulty seeing the RBer in particular lying two Days in a row.

And furthermore, if Bergioyn was a member of a Tank and WF was telling the truth about killing Napoleon, then why would Bergioyn claim that he knew for certain that a Vig killed Nap? He would have to know that the other fraction would know that he was lying, outing himself as a DF to them, which would be stupid. Why not just claim that the Vig killed Blaine? But maybe he wanted that? Maybe he was trying to see who would leap on his claim and thus reveal themselves as the other Tank to him but not to the Town? It would be risky and it would be tricky, but it might work. Then the other DF could claim Vig and corroborate his story, and now the two of them know who the other Tank is and have the trust of the Town. But that's a huge and unnecessary risk for someone who already had a great role claim that had been accepted and verified.

But on the other hand, apparently there's no RBer, there's no Cop. I don't know what to think.
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Rafo Mafia 4 Day 3 has ended Gher - 08/03/2010 06:20:26 PM 2011 Views
Okay, so it seems pretty clear that we have a third-party Kronin al'Sulc - 08/03/2010 08:31:17 PM 755 Views
Man, I'm saddled with that job forever, aren't I? Darth_Katie - 08/03/2010 09:58:50 PM 720 Views
Whoops, kinda forgot Hobo died. Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 01:22:27 AM 867 Views
That's just bad manners, tsk tsk, you kill him, then you forget him, eh? *NM* Isaac - 09/03/2010 01:27:38 AM 428 Views
What's that now? Kronin killed Hobo? Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 03:18:54 AM 710 Views
Yes, I have incontrovertible proof that Kronin killed Hobo with a Candlestick in the Conservatory Isaac - 09/03/2010 03:34:51 AM 741 Views
That Colonel Mustard is a shifty fellow. Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 06:20:13 AM 715 Views
Well now, that's awfully rude of you! Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 04:12:46 AM 693 Views
Let's discuss our new info Isaac - 09/03/2010 01:26:40 AM 810 Views
I don't really see how we're going to be able to come to a quick decision. Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 06:19:11 AM 920 Views
Hypocop Table (Day 3) Isaac - 09/03/2010 01:50:24 AM 913 Views
Darth_Katie - innocent. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 01:53:01 AM 410 Views
Issac fistofpainx - 09/03/2010 02:41:17 AM 712 Views
Hobo - Innocent *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 03:23:24 AM 414 Views
Hobo, Innocent *NM* Bergioyn - 09/03/2010 09:30:01 AM 411 Views
Darth_Katie, Innocent *NM* ranagrande - 09/03/2010 12:36:50 PM 430 Views
Kronin - Innocent *NM* Fox and Ravens - 11/03/2010 04:01:14 AM 403 Views
Kronin - innocent *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 14/03/2010 12:10:19 PM 380 Views
Blast. Hobo - 09/03/2010 05:23:06 AM 696 Views
Vote Record (Table) Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 05:50:26 AM 877 Views
Oh, and Gher Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 05:57:21 AM 743 Views
You're welcome Gher - 10/03/2010 04:33:46 AM 674 Views
I wasn't the first vote for beet? Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 12:07:06 PM 818 Views
The Vote Record makes Fox seem very suspicious. Kronin al'Sulc - 09/03/2010 12:20:23 PM 722 Views
I suppose so Isaac - 09/03/2010 06:56:02 PM 770 Views
Good point. Darth_Katie - 09/03/2010 07:32:56 PM 837 Views
Re: Good point. Isaac - 09/03/2010 08:15:32 PM 911 Views
Re: Good point. ranagrande - 09/03/2010 10:48:27 PM 936 Views
Re: Hobo Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 04:52:47 AM 844 Views
Pulling a Gher? ranagrande - 12/03/2010 05:20:27 AM 652 Views
There were like three times in a row that Gher tried to hammer Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 01:27:31 PM 722 Views
Yes, and the post-midnight vote too Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:34:27 PM 718 Views
Oy. Gher - 16/03/2010 03:52:35 AM 865 Views
I'm sorry. RBIRL Fox and Ravens - 10/03/2010 07:57:15 AM 899 Views
Alright so here's what's going on in my head. Fox and Ravens - 11/03/2010 04:24:05 AM 868 Views
Re: Alright so here's what's going on in my head. Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:34:53 AM 782 Views
*Taps on the glass* Gher - 11/03/2010 11:23:35 PM 873 Views
I'm thinking the same thing... *NM* Fox and Ravens - 11/03/2010 11:36:39 PM 403 Views
Well, I was going to wait for our last Hypocop, but... Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:24:32 AM 818 Views
Have I really? Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 02:53:33 AM 758 Views
EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 02:55:16 AM 755 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:47:04 AM 698 Views
Re: EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 04:04:40 AM 638 Views
Obvious how so? *NM* Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 04:17:55 AM 498 Views
Well, something like what I did yesterday with the trap. Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 04:30:47 AM 645 Views
A cop might do something like that. Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 04:56:42 AM 822 Views
I'm just saying that I think anyone with a role or a bad guy would have been a little more... Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 05:27:05 AM 700 Views
Re: I'm just saying that I think anyone with a role or a bad guy would have been a little more... Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:23:29 PM 762 Views
Re: I'm just saying that I think anyone with a role or a bad guy would have been a little more... Fox and Ravens - 12/03/2010 05:49:05 PM 809 Views
Seems rather backwards Isaac - 12/03/2010 06:04:08 PM 800 Views
Hrm... ranagrande - 12/03/2010 08:05:29 PM 648 Views
Well, a DF working alone would just be a Serial Killer. Darth_Katie - 12/03/2010 08:19:02 PM 848 Views
well of course there are vanillas fistofpainx - 13/03/2010 12:36:10 AM 719 Views
Re: well of course there are vanillas Isaac - 13/03/2010 12:42:39 AM 642 Views
I think he's talking about standard games like this. Fox and Ravens - 13/03/2010 03:46:50 AM 981 Views
You all may have noticed... Kronin al'Sulc - 14/03/2010 12:01:11 AM 734 Views
Re: You all may have noticed... Fox and Ravens - 14/03/2010 01:28:26 AM 893 Views
Re: You all may have noticed... Isaac - 14/03/2010 01:49:24 AM 774 Views
On F-T.... Kronin al'Sulc - 14/03/2010 03:26:04 AM 660 Views
Re: On F-T.... Isaac - 14/03/2010 04:01:09 AM 816 Views
I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/03/2010 04:07:09 AM 605 Views
Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Isaac - 14/03/2010 04:27:54 AM 807 Views
Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Fox and Ravens - 14/03/2010 01:32:16 PM 832 Views
Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Isaac - 14/03/2010 02:24:03 PM 814 Views
Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions. Isaac - 14/03/2010 02:25:20 PM 816 Views
I like Tank-f Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:29:39 PM 633 Views
Eh, tank factions sounds better I think. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:33:38 PM 657 Views
You're right. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:35:27 PM 688 Views
Re: Eh, tank factions sounds better I think. White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 08:35:42 PM 706 Views
I think it sounds BA... Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:37:59 PM 645 Views
Exactly, it makes me think of tanks. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:39:40 PM 619 Views
Back White Flame of Tar Valon - 14/03/2010 12:07:58 PM 767 Views
On the subject of inactivity... Isaac - 14/03/2010 01:31:40 PM 808 Views
Re: On the subject of inactivity... Bergioyn - 14/03/2010 07:55:01 PM 682 Views
I use my browser's 'Find' function Gher - 15/03/2010 03:54:48 PM 944 Views
The site's 'search' function is faster, but a bit limited Isaac - 15/03/2010 05:43:11 PM 701 Views
Eh, for a quick look at how the Day's going, 'Find' works well. Gher - 15/03/2010 08:18:40 PM 963 Views
Re: Eh, for a quick look at how the Day's going, 'Find' works well. Isaac - 15/03/2010 08:28:07 PM 924 Views
Chrome is great. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:30:43 PM 691 Views
Yes, Chrome rocks ranagrande - 15/03/2010 11:00:02 PM 616 Views
Are we sure we don't want a mass role-claim? ranagrande - 14/03/2010 11:55:02 PM 682 Views
Well, it's probably going to come to that before the end of the day Isaac - 15/03/2010 12:29:59 AM 835 Views
I might as well kick it off fistofpainx - 15/03/2010 02:26:39 AM 733 Views
So, are you saying I should RC next since fist already did? *NM* Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 03:05:45 PM 355 Views
Personally I think he jumped the gun. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 03:11:35 PM 814 Views
I agree ranagrande - 15/03/2010 03:38:04 PM 829 Views
He was a little quick on this one White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 07:04:53 PM 680 Views
I kind of like this idea. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:28:05 PM 718 Views
Re: I kind of like this idea. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:36:09 PM 675 Views
Re: I kind of like this idea. White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 08:39:13 PM 652 Views
Re: I kind of like this idea. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 09:43:47 PM 606 Views
I agree Ranagrande should claim next. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:45:14 PM 854 Views
Re: I agree Ranagrande should claim next. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 09:45:40 PM 668 Views
Nah, I don't think I really need to claim Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:10:46 PM 718 Views
Basically, he did jump the gun there but... Isaac - 15/03/2010 05:44:56 PM 758 Views
Ok. I'm a Mason. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 07:44:45 PM 748 Views
Whoops! Wrong link! Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 07:46:15 PM 638 Views
I completely believe you. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:08:04 PM 678 Views
Seems pretty trustworthy to me too. Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:21:30 PM 656 Views
Re: Seems pretty trustworthy to me too. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 08:31:08 PM 842 Views
I'd have to agree White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 08:43:26 PM 736 Views
Re: I'd have to agree Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:21:42 PM 859 Views
Sorry, by group I meant a pair White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 09:28:04 PM 734 Views
Ok. Just making sure. *NM* Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:35:25 PM 378 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Isaac - 15/03/2010 08:03:11 PM 669 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:27:21 PM 673 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 09:48:45 PM 689 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. White Flame of Tar Valon - 15/03/2010 09:56:40 PM 709 Views
Ah too bad. I claimed already. I was typing while you posted. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 10:00:03 PM 677 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 10:13:13 PM 864 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:58:37 PM 676 Views
We have a vigilante? God, he must suck. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:13:33 PM 605 Views
Re: We have a vigilante? God, he must suck. Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 10:16:58 PM 662 Views
You know? Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:20:10 PM 638 Views
Please: What else do you know about the vig? *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:29:46 PM 516 Views
Nothing else. Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 06:41:22 AM 650 Views
Agreed... worst... vig.... ever *NM* Isaac - 15/03/2010 11:38:21 PM 404 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 10:23:49 PM 678 Views
Re: Ok. I'm a Mason. Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 708 Views
Lol I saw the youtube address and thought you were trying to Rickroll us. *NM* Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:32:01 PM 384 Views
It's link to a video of finnish comedian, I linked it to my friend I was having chat with Bergioyn - 15/03/2010 09:30:15 PM 631 Views
My role-claim, and a few other thoughts ranagrande - 15/03/2010 10:57:55 PM 815 Views
Re: My role-claim, and a few other thoughts White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 01:53:01 AM 855 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon ranagrande - 16/03/2010 02:18:00 AM 850 Views
Well, that's a giant slip. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:20:29 AM 649 Views
Darn, beat me to the punch *NM* Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:25:41 AM 520 Views
LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:24:19 AM 649 Views
Re: LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 02:32:30 AM 745 Views
Re: LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:39:44 AM 639 Views
Re: LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 02:54:04 AM 839 Views
Let's NOT kill Bergioyn. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:59:17 AM 721 Views
Re: Let's NOT kill Bergioyn. ranagrande - 16/03/2010 03:03:42 AM 829 Views
Re: Let's NOT kill Bergioyn. White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:08:10 AM 859 Views
I am not making an incorrect reference. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 03:12:02 AM 683 Views
Good White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:20:23 AM 780 Views
EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:21:08 AM 654 Views
Another thing White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:25:34 AM 840 Views
I'm not Arsonist, so there shouldn't be any neutralization message. Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:01:10 AM 789 Views
Unvote, we only need five to lynch! *NM* Isaac - 16/03/2010 03:23:54 AM 427 Views
When did you vote? *NM* ranagrande - 16/03/2010 03:26:03 AM 384 Views
Fine.... Unvote Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 03:28:32 AM 684 Views
Something is wrong here Isaac - 16/03/2010 03:22:47 AM 782 Views
Re: Something is wrong here White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:28:33 AM 821 Views
BRB, going to take a shower then I shall be back in like 20 mins White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:30:58 AM 775 Views
Bergoiyn already had an ironclad claim though. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 03:59:44 AM 933 Views
This is why my plan works. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 11:25:19 AM 753 Views
Yes, yes it would appear so. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 02:45:51 AM 825 Views
Fail! *NM* Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 06:49:27 AM 413 Views
Oh, and Isaac Darth_Katie - 15/03/2010 08:38:08 PM 728 Views
Re: Oh, and Isaac Isaac - 15/03/2010 11:22:21 PM 683 Views
LOL, there was like this massive bomb of posts and now... silence Isaac - 16/03/2010 12:55:34 AM 813 Views
Well for starters I decided maybe I ought to work on my project that's due tomorrow. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 02:01:11 AM 801 Views
Okay, here ya are Isaac - 15/03/2010 11:58:14 PM 760 Views
Re: Okay, here ya are Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:12:31 AM 703 Views
Re: Okay, here ya are Isaac - 16/03/2010 08:01:24 AM 785 Views
Wait, what? Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 08:11:54 AM 641 Views
Re: Wait, what? Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 04:28:07 PM 843 Views
Re: Wait, what? Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:54:39 PM 652 Views
Re: Wait, what? Isaac - 16/03/2010 05:00:39 PM 747 Views
Re: Wait, what? Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:46:43 PM 820 Views
Re: Wait, what? Isaac - 16/03/2010 08:56:07 PM 840 Views
A possibility you are guilty. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 10:28:46 PM 760 Views
You're really reaching Isaac - 16/03/2010 10:54:32 PM 842 Views
Role Claims (Table) Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:15:59 PM 848 Views
Re: Role Claims (Table) *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:16:14 PM 383 Views
Whoops, replied instead of editing. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:16:29 PM 355 Views
You forgot mine. I calimed VT first, after all. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 15/03/2010 10:26:27 PM 415 Views
Missed that. Vanilla? *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/03/2010 10:27:37 PM 370 Views
Yessir *NM* Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 05:16:40 AM 409 Views
No Vigilante? *NM* Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:13:51 AM 375 Views
Okay, White Flame has claimed, and it seems decently legit. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:09:50 AM 828 Views
By decently legit, I mean I'm retarded. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:42:56 AM 502 Views
Don't feel bad, it took me a couple of minutes too. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 02:49:56 AM 618 Views
So many RC's, well mine... Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:29:01 AM 847 Views
You're a bulletproof monk? *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 02:34:01 AM 379 Views
Are you a forbidden server or a bulletproof monk? *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 02:35:06 AM 431 Views
or maybe both? *NM* ranagrande - 16/03/2010 02:36:19 AM 379 Views
Forbidden server Isaac - 16/03/2010 02:36:30 AM 604 Views
Now this is an interesting place we have reached, isn't it? Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 03:25:19 AM 846 Views
Re: Now this is an interesting place we have reached, isn't it? Isaac - 16/03/2010 03:31:27 AM 870 Views
Well, we should have a RoleBlocker too. Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 03:40:33 AM 848 Views
Re: Well, we should have a RoleBlocker too. White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 04:01:54 AM 686 Views
Breakdown Post White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 04:19:00 AM 826 Views
goodnight and a vote White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 04:23:08 AM 860 Views
Is it possible.... Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 11:27:31 AM 638 Views
Re: Well, we should have a RoleBlocker too. Isaac - 16/03/2010 04:33:17 AM 859 Views
Vote Count Gher - 16/03/2010 03:46:08 AM 685 Views
Re: Vote Count White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 03:51:48 AM 645 Views
Ahh, that's right. Gher - 16/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 795 Views
Isaac had voted too, but he unvoted since then. *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 04:01:47 AM 379 Views
Really? Gher - 16/03/2010 04:10:51 AM 658 Views
Oh, I guess he didn't. My bad. *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 04:20:27 AM 522 Views
I never voted that I recall *NM* Isaac - 16/03/2010 04:21:07 AM 361 Views
HOLY CRAP! Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 05:39:37 AM 855 Views
I want to make a post about roles too Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 05:49:07 AM 780 Views
I prefer my hypothetical, and yours doesn't work Isaac - 16/03/2010 07:00:05 AM 836 Views
Re: HOLY CRAP! White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 01:19:02 PM 630 Views
Re: HOLY CRAP! Fox and Ravens - 16/03/2010 04:13:50 PM 795 Views
I must concur Isaac - 16/03/2010 05:24:17 PM 670 Views
Re: I must concur White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/03/2010 06:42:44 PM 890 Views
Re: I must concur Bergioyn - 16/03/2010 07:51:05 PM 649 Views
Oh, MHael Steve's vig.... Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 10:31:03 PM 696 Views
Re: Oh, MHael Steve's vig.... Isaac - 16/03/2010 10:56:02 PM 677 Views
Alright ... what are we going to do? Darth_Katie - 16/03/2010 09:11:06 PM 778 Views
We need to kill White Flame ranagrande - 16/03/2010 10:03:22 PM 790 Views
My plan, and some reaching thoughts. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/03/2010 10:38:56 PM 842 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon fistofpainx - 16/03/2010 11:03:30 PM 774 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon Isaac - 16/03/2010 11:05:48 PM 635 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon Darth_Katie - 17/03/2010 12:32:40 AM 714 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon Kronin al'Sulc - 17/03/2010 12:38:28 AM 643 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon Fox and Ravens - 17/03/2010 01:11:35 AM 764 Views
Stomp stomp stomp Darth_Katie - 17/03/2010 01:21:38 AM 793 Views
SOOOOOOOOO White Flame of Tar Valon - 17/03/2010 01:47:38 AM 660 Views
So you guys finished him off while I was sleeping? *NM* Bergioyn - 17/03/2010 07:19:58 AM 384 Views
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