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Indeed Camilla Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM
Well.

We were right in a way that the Pandorica was made to hold the Doctor. It looks like Rory isn't actually alive, but is a construction made from Amy's memory. When Rory first spoke about waking up with Roman memories, I thought it was the other way around -- that Amy had stolen him from the past because she loved Roman history, and that being a Roman was his true life that he woke up to after dying in Amy's life.


You think too much :P
But I also note that hope now is what is left in the box. So it fits with the myth.

And it is strange how the words describing what is in the box (goblin, trickster, warrior, soaked in the blood of.... most feared being &c) fits so well when you see the Doctor from the perspective of his enemies. "Nothing could stop it or hold it or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world". So true. No wonder they finally had enough.

Instead, it was the Alliance of Big Bads using Amy's memories to construct a trap for the Doctor. I wonder if that's all it is.


I want there to be more. Which seems a little unfair, because if this were Davies that would have been the point in the finale. But this is Moffat and my expectations are high.

There's still Jacket Doctor. There's still the need to remember. The Doctor said it right out loud in this episode -- if something is remembered, it can come back. That's what the duck pond meant, like I said. But I don't know how that will play out, or if it will mean anything, or if Amy can still bring the real Rory back now that she's remembering him, because she can't be dead just yet.


I am a little intrigued as to how he could come back. He isn't only absorbed, after all, he is also dead. Would he just materialise out of one of the cracks?

And he also said right out that Amy's life does not make any sense. It might have been just a reference to her mad current state, but it did not sound like it -- it was coupled with the reference to the oddness of the house. It isn't by any chance bigger on the inside, is it?

Hmmm. About Amy not being dead. Could it be that it was just the effects of another cyberman tranquiliser dart? That she didn't actually get shot?

Was Jacket Doctor controlling the TARDIS? Did he cause it to explode? Did he do something to stop it from exploding? How is a future version of the Doctor out there when the present version is locked inside an unbreakable cage? Will a crack appear inside the Pandorica, allowing him to escape into the past and effect the changes we've seen on the timeline?

I don't know! However, I'm willing to bet there's still more going on here than meets the eye.


Me neither! And me too.
It did not really feel like the Doctor controlled the TARDIS. Unless he has gone evil. I thought I heard Davros for a moment: "Silence will fall".

I did not recognise the pattern of the burn marks. But I feel like I should. Did you?

But that was a fantastic episode. I adored -- I mean truly loved -- that speech he gave to the assembled alien fleets from atop the rock. That was incredible. I must retype it here for posterity.

"Hello Stonehenge!

Who takes the Pandorica, takes the universe. But, bad news, everyone. 'Cause guess who!

They sent you lot, you're all ... whizzing about, it's very distracting, could you all just stay still a minute, because

I

AM

TALKING!

Now the question of the hour is, who's got the Pandorica. Answer, I do. Next question, who's coming to take it from me?

C'mon! Look at me, no plan, no backup, no weapons worth a damn, oh, and something else I don't have: Anything. To. Lose.

So, if you're sitting up there in your silly little spaceships with your silly ... little ... guns, if you've got any plans on taking the Pandorica tonight, just remember who's standing in your way. Remember every black day I ever stopped you, and then, AND THEN ... do the smart thing.

Let somebody else try first."


The speech was good.

I liked the opening of the episode a lot. The chain of people, and the wonderful effects of the hallucinogenic lipstic. I laughed out loud at that. And the "I hate good wizards in fairytales, they always turn out to be him" comment. SUCH a red herring.

And I LOVED the "I discover we've been playing host to Cleopatra. Who's in Egypt. And dead." moment.

And "there are fruitflies who live at XXX who live for 20 minutes, and they don't even mate for life" -- this episode was quite the cornucopia of witty comments.
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* Camilla - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 3059 Views
The only thing jumping to mind at the moment... Liam - 19/06/2010 09:38:44 PM 1654 Views
Oh and... Liam - 19/06/2010 11:41:17 PM 1650 Views
Nice! Camilla - 20/06/2010 07:57:03 AM 1571 Views
True... Liam - 20/06/2010 09:57:08 AM 1607 Views
Re: True... Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:59:09 AM 1608 Views
I am fairly sure... Michael - 22/06/2010 09:10:35 AM 1545 Views
Re: I am fairly sure... Camilla - 22/06/2010 09:16:18 AM 1870 Views
that was.... interesting. *NM* jh - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 998 Views
Wow. Nate - 20/06/2010 12:16:16 AM 1587 Views
A note on his speech. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1528 Views
Indeed Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM 1645 Views
I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:03:40 AM 1575 Views
Re: I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:15:05 AM 1599 Views
Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 1740 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM 1662 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:13:42 PM 1693 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:32:49 PM 1527 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:39:46 PM 1669 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:48:48 PM 1732 Views
Re: Rose Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:43:57 PM 1633 Views
Re: Rose Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:46:05 PM 1662 Views
You had better watch it all again. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 1573 Views
So true. Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 1668 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:03:43 PM 1694 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:09:44 PM 1626 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 05:52:31 PM 1698 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 06:12:46 PM 1506 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:50:47 PM 1616 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:52:44 PM 1637 Views
snoopcester - 20/06/2010 11:16:19 PM 1488 Views
Re: Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:21:33 PM 1628 Views
snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:01:29 AM 1676 Views
The Silence ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 1574 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 1649 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:54:30 AM 1542 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:46:58 PM 1650 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 02:01:49 AM 1639 Views
Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 1624 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* Liam - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 978 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? Camilla - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1540 Views
Also. Nate - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 1634 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:33:34 AM 1621 Views
Re: Also. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:46:15 PM 1672 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:49:34 PM 1710 Views
I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:52:48 PM 1543 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:58:46 PM 1735 Views
Re: I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:04:37 PM 1617 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:10:35 PM 1729 Views
I think she had the best story arc of them all though. MikeyMikeyMikey - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 1548 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 1578 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1514 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Liam - 20/06/2010 10:26:34 AM 1573 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:27 AM 1507 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:16:44 PM 1577 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:28:35 PM 1518 Views
The Greeks were nuts snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1482 Views
*minor spoiler for next season* Mark - 20/06/2010 08:05:23 PM 1613 Views
Re: *minor spoiler for next season* Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:08:05 PM 1519 Views
I know, me too Mark - 20/06/2010 08:11:46 PM 1511 Views
Re: I know, me too Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:13:05 PM 1529 Views
I feel that there is another party to all this Mark - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1378 Views
Re: I feel that there is another party to all this Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:14:18 PM 1520 Views
The voice in the TARDIS is the key Mark - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 1622 Views
Re: The voice in the TARDIS is the key Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:19:32 PM 1730 Views
I have been wondering about that snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 1621 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 1638 Views
Yes, they are devious Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1521 Views
I can still see them both. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 1586 Views
Re: I can still see them both. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:05 PM 1484 Views
Who can blame them? Liam - 20/06/2010 10:31:38 PM 1540 Views
Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:34:26 PM 1477 Views
snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:41:26 PM 1607 Views
Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:44:01 PM 1476 Views
I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Nate - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 1554 Views
Nutter Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:20:44 PM 1710 Views
Here you go, about the house. Nate - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1556 Views
It's not paranoia when they are really after you. Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:32:40 PM 1586 Views
Larger. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 1682 Views
You think Shada, I think... Liam - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 1781 Views
What book? Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 1556 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1448 Views
Hmm Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 1605 Views
Yes. *NM* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 1028 Views
*spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1473 Views
Re: *spoilers* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:43:18 PM 1630 Views
Re: *spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:44:33 PM 1603 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Liam - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1489 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:33:43 PM 1501 Views
Indeed. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 1557 Views
Re: Indeed. Camilla - 22/06/2010 10:23:00 AM 1609 Views
Re: the accent. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 1619 Views
Oh, I know. I have Scottish neighbours. The kids have never even live in Scotland but have accents. *NM* Liam - 22/06/2010 12:48:47 PM 983 Views
More on that snoopcester - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1518 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 1566 Views
Re: Doesn't everyone think that? Camilla - 21/06/2010 11:06:35 AM 1555 Views
Elaborating on your crazy speculation... soilent brad - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 1547 Views
Re: Elaborating on your crazy speculation... Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:48:00 PM 1514 Views
Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 1554 Views
Nah Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 1729 Views
Good soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:07:27 AM 1596 Views
I have to ask... Wibble - 21/06/2010 11:31:15 AM 1541 Views
You have no idea what you are talking about, snoopcester - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1518 Views
Short answer: Camilla - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1468 Views
The real mystery of this to me is... Michael - 22/06/2010 10:41:02 AM 1526 Views
Re: The real mystery of this to me is... Camilla - 22/06/2010 04:04:32 PM 1523 Views
If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 22/06/2010 11:43:34 PM 1506 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:46:57 PM 1592 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:02:24 AM 1485 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:04:28 AM 1572 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:40:38 AM 1609 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:42:05 AM 1588 Views
Epiphany Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:11:09 AM 1642 Views
That's what I assumed. Darth_Katie - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 1520 Views
Re: That's what I assumed. Camilla - 23/06/2010 10:21:18 AM 1503 Views
That is what I assumed it to be Mark - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1383 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 973 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 974 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1561 Views
Have you been drinking again? Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 1581 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 1567 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman soilent brad - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 1581 Views
True Camilla - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 1575 Views
I don't recall the exact... Liam - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 1641 Views
Perhaps soilent brad - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1505 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". Liam - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1539 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? Camilla - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1513 Views
I suppose that it must have been. Liam - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 1654 Views
Another point I only just thought of. Michael - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1526 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. Michael - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 1676 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. Liam - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 1742 Views
I think ... Nate - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 1561 Views
Oh, I know, but... Liam - 27/06/2010 11:45:18 PM 1493 Views
I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. Darth_Katie - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1446 Views
mno Camilla - 26/06/2010 06:05:11 PM 1542 Views
Something that bothers me about that... soilent brad - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1476 Views
I'm guessing... Michael - 27/06/2010 01:45:09 PM 1519 Views
Re: Something that bothers me about that... Camilla - 27/06/2010 09:29:40 PM 1524 Views
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