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You think Shada, I think... Liam Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM
I can't shake the feeling that grown-up Amy and child Amelia are not the same person. That something is going on.

A friend pointed out to me that the front of her house has a blue door, just like something else we know.


Hmm. Yes. Then again, so did the house next to the café in the Van Gogh story. But that was because of the painting, I think.

The Doctor comments that her house was "too big, too many empty rooms. Does it ever bother you, Amy, that your life doesn't make any sense?"

Amy's house has two stories, you can see this clearly from the outside. On the second floor is a flight of stairs leading upward to a door in the ceiling. Just to a crawlspace, or to ... something else?


So it does have only two stories? I have been wondering about that ever since he said that thing about the house. We only ever see the two first floors, but I couldn't quite make out whether there was a third story when it was seen from the outside, and I was hesitant to go back and look through the early episodes again. If it has only two stories on the outside, there must be SOMETHING up there.

Throughout the season, the Doctor has been slightly put off by the fact that no one has said the traditional entering-the-TARDIS words: "But, but, but it's bigger on the inside!" When Amy first entered, the Doctor remarked, "Well? Anything you want to say, any ... passing remarks? I've heard them all." Amy doesn't say it. When Rory first enters, it goes like this:

Doctor: It's a lot to take in, isn't it? Tiny box, huge room inside, what's that about, let me explain.

Rory: It's another dimension?

Doctor: It's basically another dimension ... what?

Rory: After Prisoner Zero I've been reading up on all the latest scientific theories.

Doctor (put off): I like the bit where everyone says it's bigger on the inside. I always look forward to that.

But nobody will say it. Not even the lady who gets in it with him in Hungry Earth. And here we have a house that may be bigger on the inside, with a blue door ...


Nice catch. I took the lack of the desired response to be just an ironic take on it all. But if it is a plot point I will be thrilled.

Is Amy's house a TARDIS? A TARDIS under construction? Is it hiding a time machine on the third floor a la The Lodger? Is Amy's house going to be the perception filter reveal? Could Amy's house be what explodes and causes the cracks, not the TARDIS? Or at least, not the Doctor's TARDIS?


I'll be a little disappointed if it is just the same thing as the Lodger. You don't do a repeat in the finale. But the house could be a TARDIS as a whole, perhaps. Like the Cambridge professor's in Shada.

Amy's aunt is never around. If she exists, why is she never around? Could Amy's aunt be a time traveler, who leaves and reappears at any time? If there is no aunt, could little Amelia Pond have been a time traveler?

Now here's the part that really proves I'm a nutter. Could Amy's aunt be ... River Song? Could Amy's aunt be ... grown up Amy? Could Amy's aunt be ... the Doctor using a perception filter? Okay, that last one is weird.


You are a crazy, crazy man.
When I first saw the first episode, I thought Amy was Amelia's aunt, but I have let that thought go. And River would surely know if she were Amelia's aunt? And so would Amy/Amelia. Could the aunt be bad? Someone we know? I don't think it could be the Doctor using a perception filter. Crazy man.

This is all just wild speculation. But dammit, I can't stop thinking there is more to be revealed about Amelia Pond.


I agree.
I don't think anyone has quite hit on what it is, though.

Plus. Plus. This is not the first time the TARDIS has been hijacked. It happened in The Hungry Earth. The Doctor assumed it was the Silurians pulling it into the earth, but there were no guards or anything waiting when they got there, and they had to walk quite a ways to find any (and were only found after a scanner detected them). What if the same force that took control of the TARDIS in this episode caused it to go down and land beside the exact spot where a crack would soon appear?


Huh, I hadn't thought of that.

There was a TARDIS sound that made little Amelia look up near the end of The Eleventh Hour. Was that our Doctor come back from the future? Was that the Jacket Doctor? Did he hop through the crack in the Silurian place, borrow the TARDIS, and do a little running around before bringing it back and dodging off through his crack again? Was that Amy's aunt returning in something that makes a TARDIS noise?


See, I had ascribed that scene to the dream. Amy, disappointed, dreams of Amelia, then hears the TARDIS sound and transfers that to her dream. But it might have a plot point.

Remember the TARDIS makes a noise because he leaves the breaks on.

The problem with a lot of these speculations, of course, is that Amy would recall some of this weird stuff, unless Amy isn't the same person as Amelia somehow, or unless something was affecting her perception and/or memory.


Yes. Hmmm. I am not quite sold on the "aunt is a time traveller" idea, but something is definitely up.

"Does it ever bother you, Amy, that your life doesn't make any sense?"


SUCH an evil line for Moffat to put in when he knows people are going to have to wait a week.


...nothing. I don't know if you've read the book in question and would hate to spoil it.
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Oh, how simply grand it is to be travelling by dirigible again. Direct us to the west good sir, tonight we will remember what it is to live.
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* Camilla - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 2811 Views
The only thing jumping to mind at the moment... Liam - 19/06/2010 09:38:44 PM 1430 Views
Oh and... Liam - 19/06/2010 11:41:17 PM 1425 Views
Nice! Camilla - 20/06/2010 07:57:03 AM 1345 Views
True... Liam - 20/06/2010 09:57:08 AM 1381 Views
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I am fairly sure... Michael - 22/06/2010 09:10:35 AM 1317 Views
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that was.... interesting. *NM* jh - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 902 Views
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A note on his speech. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1307 Views
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I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:03:40 AM 1348 Views
Re: I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:15:05 AM 1374 Views
Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 1509 Views
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You had better watch it all again. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 1347 Views
So true. Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 1445 Views
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The Silence ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 1351 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 1421 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:54:30 AM 1314 Views
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Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 1392 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* Liam - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 891 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? Camilla - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1310 Views
Also. Nate - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 1411 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:33:34 AM 1395 Views
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I think she had the best story arc of them all though. MikeyMikeyMikey - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 1316 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 1345 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1287 Views
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The Greeks were nuts snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1252 Views
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I know, me too Mark - 20/06/2010 08:11:46 PM 1282 Views
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I feel that there is another party to all this Mark - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1148 Views
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The voice in the TARDIS is the key Mark - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 1394 Views
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I have been wondering about that snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 1390 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 1407 Views
Yes, they are devious Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1296 Views
I can still see them both. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 1359 Views
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I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Nate - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 1321 Views
Nutter Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:20:44 PM 1486 Views
Here you go, about the house. Nate - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1320 Views
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Larger. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 1449 Views
You think Shada, I think... Liam - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 1552 Views
What book? Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 1329 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1217 Views
Hmm Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 1376 Views
Yes. *NM* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 942 Views
*spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1248 Views
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Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Liam - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1262 Views
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Indeed. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 1332 Views
Re: Indeed. Camilla - 22/06/2010 10:23:00 AM 1372 Views
Re: the accent. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 1374 Views
Oh, I know. I have Scottish neighbours. The kids have never even live in Scotland but have accents. *NM* Liam - 22/06/2010 12:48:47 PM 890 Views
More on that snoopcester - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1290 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 1330 Views
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Elaborating on your crazy speculation... soilent brad - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 1312 Views
Re: Elaborating on your crazy speculation... Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:48:00 PM 1276 Views
Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 1325 Views
Nah Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 1501 Views
Good soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:07:27 AM 1368 Views
I have to ask... Wibble - 21/06/2010 11:31:15 AM 1319 Views
You have no idea what you are talking about, snoopcester - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1283 Views
Short answer: Camilla - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1238 Views
The real mystery of this to me is... Michael - 22/06/2010 10:41:02 AM 1294 Views
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Epiphany Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:11:09 AM 1409 Views
That's what I assumed. Darth_Katie - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 1285 Views
Re: That's what I assumed. Camilla - 23/06/2010 10:21:18 AM 1271 Views
That is what I assumed it to be Mark - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1156 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 882 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 886 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1330 Views
Have you been drinking again? Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 1353 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 1340 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman soilent brad - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 1350 Views
True Camilla - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 1338 Views
I don't recall the exact... Liam - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 1415 Views
Perhaps soilent brad - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1276 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". Liam - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1305 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? Camilla - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1292 Views
I suppose that it must have been. Liam - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 1423 Views
Another point I only just thought of. Michael - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1289 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. Michael - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 1443 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. Liam - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 1516 Views
I think ... Nate - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 1322 Views
Oh, I know, but... Liam - 27/06/2010 11:45:18 PM 1261 Views
I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. Darth_Katie - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1221 Views
mno Camilla - 26/06/2010 06:05:11 PM 1310 Views
Something that bothers me about that... soilent brad - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1237 Views
I'm guessing... Michael - 27/06/2010 01:45:09 PM 1281 Views
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