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Predictable with a tired & preachy plot. (spoilers) Also, the ending was completely ludicrous. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 19/12/2009 03:02:21 AM
As far as the special effects go, they were good, but so what? Remember in Star Trek the Motion Picture, when the Star Trek production people were so excited to actually have a special effect budget beyond foam rocks they spent roughly half the movie lingering over multiple angles of the Enterprise and stuff like that? We have some of the same thing going on here. Basically, the nerds are showing off their CGI-rendered world and their abilities to show it from multiple angles. But you know what? They still haven't corrected the major problem where characters can't touch things, or especially pick up objects realistically. Anyway, I never really cared about special effects, being happy to concede the fourth wall and move on to the characters and story, and accept the shortcomings of human beings to show certain things, just as Shakespeare asks the audience to do in Henry V.

As for the imbecilic ending - first of all, as in the third Brendan Fraser Mummy movie, I found myself admiring the evil general more than the good guys, since he clearly had the biggest pair of cojones in the film. Despite the myriad environmental and plot-device advantages enjoyed by the good guys in both films, the evil general took them right down to the wire. What is so heroic about killing a smaller, weaker person, who needs a gas mask to survive in the environment, when you have that same environment on your side, as well as a genetically engineered body that is twice his size? His toughness is EARNED through ongoing workouts, while the "hero" is tough because he had a custom-made superhuman body.

Anyway, once the good guys win and defeat the humans and save their magic tree, there is a scene of them escorting the evil humans off-planet and the smug narrator talking about how the "aliens were sent back to their dying planet." Oh, really? And these numbskulls think they won? An appropriate analogy would be a 300-lb serial rapist, recently released from prison where he was the inter-penitentiary weight-lifting champ, cornering a 100-lbs Hooters waitress in a dark alley with no one else within miles of them. He pats her butt, she pushes his hand away and slaps his face and spits in his eye. Fade to black, end credits, happy ending! Except we KNOW what is likely to happen next! Avatar does the same thing and the monkey-cat people of Pandora are not going to fare any better than our plucky heroine in the alley.

Basically, gathering the Pandorans (I forget their retarded species name) of three nations produced a force that was almost sufficient to get itself killed while doing negligible damage to a glorified security detail with light vehicles and small arms. They were able to win by calling on the fauna of the region to save them, thanks to their Great White Hope managing to better commune with their nature-goddess than their own pseudo-clergy, and some heroics from human defectors (notice how the indigenous people always need someone from the "white" people to win in these fantasies, but in real life, the white guys win with the help of natives who come over to their side? ). And now, the evil greedy humans are going to slink home with their tails between their legs and rot on their apparently dying planet? The HELL they will! You KNOW they'll be back with more than infantry and support vehicles! The Pandorans don't stand a prayer against futuristic tanks, artillery and REAL air power! Hell, a company of contemporary M1 Abrams tanks could go through that entire force like a hot knife through butter, and there would not be a whole hell of a lot the human collaborationists could do with their two rifles, five radios, three grenades and one tilt-rotor helicopter.

As it was, with their tiny force and a jury-rigged field expedient bomb, the humans came within seconds of blowing up the main server of their little biological internet. How would the Pandorans stop them if they used a jet bomber with a REAL "daisy-cutter" bomb, or a MOAB or a fuel-air bomb, or a nuke? How would they stop a precision-guided cruise missile? Heck, even as it is, the humans, having a spaceship in orbit, possess the capability of dropping a kinetic-energy weapon on their heads. Does anyone remember the LAST Sigourney Weaver-James Cameron collaboration? With the line: "I say we...nuke the site from orbit." What happened, Jimbo? So busy promoting your laughable anti-Christian documentary that you didn't have time to remember things you knew back when you made good movies, where you would make Bill Paxton look like an ass and kill that freckled chick? These hippies are getting kind of idiotic with their constant insistance that people and corporations are vile and greedy and would do anything at all to make a buck, expect push past their very first setback when their plans are barely thwarted by a plucky idealist with almost no resources. Somehow, the hippies who make movies always believe that is enough to get the corporations to take a hit on their quarterly reports and throw in the towel. In real life, when Livingston disappears exploring Africa, Stanly comes looking for him. When the Zulus slaughter the English at Islanlwana, the English then pile them up like cordwood at Rorke's Drift and go on to win the war. Crazy Horse & Sitting Bull massacre Custer, and end up murdered in virtual captivity. I'm betting a realistic "Avatar 2" wouldn't have nearly so 'happy' an ending as this one.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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"Avatar" discussion thread - 17/12/2009 08:10:04 AM 2388 Views
Innovative world-building sci-fi, dull cliched story - 17/12/2009 01:13:47 PM 1072 Views
Agreed for the most part... - 17/12/2009 11:05:27 PM 1051 Views
Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? *NM* - 18/12/2009 03:33:58 AM 560 Views
*snorts* *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:03:05 AM 441 Views
Re: Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? - 18/12/2009 09:49:23 AM 987 Views
Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 453 Views
Re: Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. - 19/12/2009 02:57:43 AM 954 Views
Avatar is basically Return of the Jedi, at least the part on Endor. But less militarily plausible - 19/12/2009 02:22:35 AM 1183 Views
Watch the movie again. - 19/12/2009 03:08:05 AM 1195 Views
It's a watered-down Dune. *NM* - 21/12/2009 08:41:39 AM 659 Views
What struck me the most about this movie... - 22/12/2009 01:25:00 AM 1001 Views
Predictable with a tired & preachy plot. (spoilers) Also, the ending was completely ludicrous. - 19/12/2009 03:02:21 AM 1450 Views
You need help *NM* - 19/12/2009 07:33:52 AM 688 Views
A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 20/12/2009 05:07:59 AM 1020 Views
Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM 1107 Views
It would help if you'd leave my quotes by the arguments, but whatever. - 22/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1002 Views
Heh... - 29/12/2009 11:01:41 PM 950 Views
wow, you really do need help - 21/12/2009 07:23:12 AM 1219 Views
If the bad guy has all the stones and still loses, how heroic were the heroes? - 21/12/2009 08:53:00 PM 1042 Views
Wow...you're serious? Really?? - 22/12/2009 04:56:20 PM 957 Views
lol - 22/12/2009 04:59:47 PM 922 Views
That's uncalled for IMO - 25/12/2009 09:04:01 PM 1135 Views
I am pretty sure she refered to the fact that he sheered for the bad guys and wished the Na'vi ill. - 25/12/2009 09:19:32 PM 979 Views
He didn't cheer for them - 26/12/2009 01:05:40 AM 952 Views
...an attitude I always found a bit worrisome, too *NM* - 26/12/2009 11:48:40 AM 560 Views
I tend to agree - 21/12/2009 03:23:54 PM 930 Views
I thought the same things, but... - 25/12/2009 08:29:09 PM 945 Views
A fun time. Predictable, but not in a bad way. Minor Spoilers. - 19/12/2009 03:05:19 AM 945 Views
you said Fern Gully ^_^ - 19/12/2009 09:01:58 PM 965 Views
Spectacular - 19/12/2009 02:54:53 PM 1025 Views
A wonder of a movie experience *minor spoilers* - 19/12/2009 08:47:06 PM 1063 Views
Very good and fun, but not world-shattering. - 19/12/2009 11:19:26 PM 1250 Views
Has anyone seen this in 3D and not enjoyed it?? - 20/12/2009 06:11:52 PM 1063 Views
Cannoli, presumably. *NM* - 20/12/2009 10:41:48 PM 660 Views
Sure make fun of the visually impaired, asshole. - 21/12/2009 08:57:33 PM 1023 Views
Yeah, that's totally what I was doing. - 21/12/2009 11:59:26 PM 1071 Views
Do you buy them from antique shops? *NM* - 22/12/2009 01:10:12 AM 602 Views
Does this include the new 3D? - 22/12/2009 01:17:07 AM 1151 Views
same here - 22/12/2009 02:59:32 PM 859 Views
I'm tempted to make a joke about the depth of your posts. *NM* - 22/12/2009 04:31:04 AM 465 Views
is that what we are calling tunnel vision these days? *NM* - 24/12/2009 07:04:08 PM 574 Views
Dammit! So much better than mine. *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:19:19 AM 521 Views
Saw it with my family. - 20/12/2009 09:10:56 PM 903 Views
Sci-fi Pocahontas - 21/12/2009 01:12:02 AM 1039 Views
My friend and I spent the whole movie - 07/01/2010 12:50:56 AM 881 Views
Oh so you're the kind of movie-goer in the seat behind me... - 07/01/2010 11:20:56 AM 852 Views
No way! - 07/01/2010 03:48:48 PM 780 Views
that you mock at all is incredibly disrespectful - 07/01/2010 05:31:55 PM 969 Views
You're overreacting. - 07/01/2010 06:20:06 PM 919 Views
You said you do it quietly - 07/01/2010 08:18:07 PM 936 Views
Fair enough, fair enough. *NM* - 07/01/2010 08:57:23 PM 587 Views
Except maybe the purist who really needs to be kept in a total sensory deprivation chamber. *NM* - 08/01/2010 10:51:58 PM 487 Views
Nothing's more satisfying that seeing and hearing the crowd around you react like you do - 09/01/2010 01:36:36 PM 848 Views
*NM* - 09/01/2010 03:59:28 PM 532 Views
You should never watch a movie with me. - 10/01/2010 01:23:30 AM 918 Views
There's a gentlebot to see you, says his name is Tom Servo. - 08/01/2010 03:59:34 AM 946 Views
3D IMAX is worth the extra money... - 21/12/2009 08:40:57 AM 1002 Views
The only thing I am upset about - 21/12/2009 09:38:17 AM 1181 Views
Oh yeah, that puppy's been selling out like crazy. - 22/12/2009 12:01:18 AM 855 Views
Visually stunning. - 24/12/2009 02:12:42 PM 862 Views
As usual, Hollywood shoves an ideology down peoples' throats. *NM* - 26/12/2009 04:30:20 AM 438 Views
Once they've paid their ten bucks to get in. *NM* - 27/12/2009 04:31:59 AM 522 Views
A good ideology assault doesn't come cheap! *NM* - 28/12/2009 10:03:08 AM 529 Views
$14 evening show with 3D glasses. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:15:03 AM 632 Views
one point i haven't seen discussed yet.... - 26/12/2009 05:43:05 AM 1130 Views
It stinks!! *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:51:30 AM 656 Views
So, a silly thing I found distracting... - 29/12/2009 07:26:02 AM 1013 Views
that caught my eye too - 29/12/2009 07:36:46 AM 910 Views
A silly thing I found distracting was that the aliens were humanoid. *NM* - 29/12/2009 09:48:46 AM 606 Views
Umm you would rather watch non-humanoid aliens? Yeah thats fun *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 499 Views
*sigh* - 30/12/2009 11:09:16 AM 874 Views
Yes. Yes. - 01/01/2010 08:19:58 AM 929 Views
I have missed you so much on this site. *NM* - 02/01/2010 04:13:56 AM 472 Views
well. it's not necessarily erroneous either. - 30/12/2009 06:28:57 AM 855 Views
See my response to Dark Knight above. *NM* - 30/12/2009 11:11:27 AM 517 Views
ah okay. carry on then *NM* - 30/12/2009 04:44:12 PM 594 Views
Yes. - 03/01/2010 05:08:17 PM 981 Views
I believe she was speaking about their tails. - 07/01/2010 07:37:46 AM 855 Views
If I remember it was the "USB Plug" in their hair. *NM* - 08/01/2010 08:29:38 AM 618 Views
Yep - 08/01/2010 09:33:08 AM 949 Views
*facepalm* yah, that's what i was talking about - 08/01/2010 05:31:33 PM 904 Views
I figured - 08/01/2010 05:50:22 PM 914 Views
Yes, the plot is simple, predictable and ideological - 29/12/2009 07:41:36 AM 888 Views
It was the best movie I've seen in ages. I'm seriously thinking of going to see it again. *NM* - 29/12/2009 12:20:11 PM 668 Views
We definitely will. - 29/12/2009 03:30:07 PM 925 Views
Going again tomorrow. *NM* - 02/01/2010 05:14:53 PM 672 Views
Project 880: The Avatar that might have been - 31/12/2009 10:30:21 AM 1205 Views
That is very interesting. - 31/12/2009 01:25:19 PM 872 Views
yeah - 02/01/2010 01:56:15 PM 984 Views
i think that would be interesting to see - 31/12/2009 04:29:19 PM 987 Views
Avatar is/was gonna make a pile of money anyways. - 31/12/2009 08:30:34 PM 1153 Views
Re: I hated the 3-D effect. It was horrible. - 10/01/2010 09:39:25 AM 921 Views
Stephen Colbert on Avatar - 15/01/2010 03:18:29 AM 762 Views
I liked it even better the 2nd time. *Spoilers* - 16/01/2010 12:23:50 AM 890 Views
Yeah, I really liked the music. *NM* - 16/01/2010 06:04:55 AM 634 Views
It just took the double at the Golden Globes. - 18/01/2010 04:04:08 AM 985 Views
Ok, wow, I didn't expect that to happen. *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:59:51 AM 444 Views
I can't say I'm surprised it did. Not that I agree with it. *NM* - 18/01/2010 07:37:08 PM 399 Views
Okay I bit the bullet and went to see it - 18/01/2010 11:56:28 PM 878 Views
I always forget that I saw movies in 3D. - 19/01/2010 01:11:05 AM 973 Views

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