Saw it in 3d this morning. I was actually expecting the worst, because I get annoyed at hype and Cameron seemed pretty obnoxious in interviews I saw about this movie.
The CGI is indeed very good, and I suppose they managed to avoid the Uncanny Valley effect because of the Na'avi's inherent alien-ness. So no trouble with suspension of disbelief. The world was quite beautiful, and the wildlife nicely rendered. But I'm sorry, and this may be a personal failing, but I really did not get the whole "this is a living breathing ecosystem" vibe from this movie any more than I did from Ice Age 3. Which admittedly uses a real-ish ecosystem as its backdrop, but you get my point. So you have rhinoceroses and wild dogs and horses and pterodactyls (and big pterodactyls). I don't see the importance of knowing what the dogs eat or where the bugs nest or how the trees grow. They don't really elaborate on it in the movie, and I don't really care.
So sorry if I sound negative - I actually think the SFX are great, although on my part as long as you avoid the characters looking Final Fantasy - creepy, I'm happy. So I can't really tell if this is so much better.
My main problem is with the plot - this movie has basically been done before, multiple times. From Pocahontas to the Last Samurai with some Dances with Wolves mixed in, it is cliched beyond the point of cliche. At least the acting was good enough to make me buy it - which I suppose is a testament to the quality of the mo-cap CGI performances.
In the end I got a solid, action-packed, fun movie which I really enjoyed, and the 2h30+ length seemed to zip by. But it hardly reinvents the world of movies as we know it.
The CGI is indeed very good, and I suppose they managed to avoid the Uncanny Valley effect because of the Na'avi's inherent alien-ness. So no trouble with suspension of disbelief. The world was quite beautiful, and the wildlife nicely rendered. But I'm sorry, and this may be a personal failing, but I really did not get the whole "this is a living breathing ecosystem" vibe from this movie any more than I did from Ice Age 3. Which admittedly uses a real-ish ecosystem as its backdrop, but you get my point. So you have rhinoceroses and wild dogs and horses and pterodactyls (and big pterodactyls). I don't see the importance of knowing what the dogs eat or where the bugs nest or how the trees grow. They don't really elaborate on it in the movie, and I don't really care.
So sorry if I sound negative - I actually think the SFX are great, although on my part as long as you avoid the characters looking Final Fantasy - creepy, I'm happy. So I can't really tell if this is so much better.
My main problem is with the plot - this movie has basically been done before, multiple times. From Pocahontas to the Last Samurai with some Dances with Wolves mixed in, it is cliched beyond the point of cliche. At least the acting was good enough to make me buy it - which I suppose is a testament to the quality of the mo-cap CGI performances.
In the end I got a solid, action-packed, fun movie which I really enjoyed, and the 2h30+ length seemed to zip by. But it hardly reinvents the world of movies as we know it.
Neutral Observer
This message last edited by smaug on 19/12/2009 at 11:19:49 PM
"Avatar" discussion thread
- 17/12/2009 08:10:04 AM
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Innovative world-building sci-fi, dull cliched story
- 17/12/2009 01:13:47 PM
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Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? *NM*
- 18/12/2009 03:33:58 AM
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Re: Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars?
- 18/12/2009 09:49:23 AM
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Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. *NM*
- 18/12/2009 09:06:18 PM
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Re: Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them.
- 19/12/2009 02:57:43 AM
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Avatar is basically Return of the Jedi, at least the part on Endor. But less militarily plausible
- 19/12/2009 02:22:35 AM
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Re:Avatar is basically Return of the Jedi, at least the part on Endor. But less militarily plausible
- 19/12/2009 03:04:37 AM
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Predictable with a tired & preachy plot. (spoilers) Also, the ending was completely ludicrous.
- 19/12/2009 03:02:21 AM
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A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway.
- 20/12/2009 05:07:59 AM
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Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway.
- 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM
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It would help if you'd leave my quotes by the arguments, but whatever.
- 22/12/2009 10:36:42 AM
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- 22/12/2009 10:36:42 AM
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wow, you really do need help
- 21/12/2009 07:23:12 AM
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If the bad guy has all the stones and still loses, how heroic were the heroes?
- 21/12/2009 08:53:00 PM
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That's uncalled for IMO
- 25/12/2009 09:04:01 PM
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I am pretty sure she refered to the fact that he sheered for the bad guys and wished the Na'vi ill.
- 25/12/2009 09:19:32 PM
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I agree with your social commentary about the movie as ideological mirror for Cameron. *NM*
- 28/12/2009 05:09:56 AM
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Very good and fun, but not world-shattering.
- 19/12/2009 11:19:26 PM
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Saw it a few hours ago, and enjoyed it more than I thought I would.
- 20/12/2009 05:14:11 AM
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An absolutely breathtaking film whose beauty is surpassed only by its predictability.
- 20/12/2009 10:57:53 AM
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Has anyone seen this in 3D and not enjoyed it??
- 20/12/2009 06:11:52 PM
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Cannoli, presumably.
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- 20/12/2009 10:41:48 PM
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- 20/12/2009 10:41:48 PM
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Sure make fun of the visually impaired, asshole.
- 21/12/2009 08:57:33 PM
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Sci-fi Pocahontas
- 21/12/2009 01:12:02 AM
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My friend and I spent the whole movie
- 07/01/2010 12:50:56 AM
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Oh so you're the kind of movie-goer in the seat behind me...
- 07/01/2010 11:20:56 AM
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No way!
- 07/01/2010 03:48:48 PM
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that you mock at all is incredibly disrespectful
- 07/01/2010 05:31:55 PM
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You're overreacting.
- 07/01/2010 06:20:06 PM
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You said you do it quietly
- 07/01/2010 08:18:07 PM
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Except maybe the purist who really needs to be kept in a total sensory deprivation chamber.
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- 08/01/2010 10:51:58 PM
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- 08/01/2010 10:51:58 PM
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Nothing's more satisfying that seeing and hearing the crowd around you react like you do
- 09/01/2010 01:36:36 PM
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As usual, Hollywood shoves an ideology down peoples' throats. *NM*
- 26/12/2009 04:30:20 AM
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So, a silly thing I found distracting...
- 29/12/2009 07:26:02 AM
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A silly thing I found distracting was that the aliens were humanoid. *NM*
- 29/12/2009 09:48:46 AM
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Umm you would rather watch non-humanoid aliens? Yeah thats fun *NM*
- 29/12/2009 03:29:26 PM
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well. it's not necessarily erroneous either.
- 30/12/2009 06:28:57 AM
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Yes.
- 03/01/2010 05:08:17 PM
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I believe she was speaking about their tails.
- 07/01/2010 07:37:46 AM
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If I remember it was the "USB Plug" in their hair. *NM*
- 08/01/2010 08:29:38 AM
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Yep
- 08/01/2010 09:33:08 AM
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It was the best movie I've seen in ages. I'm seriously thinking of going to see it again. *NM*
- 29/12/2009 12:20:11 PM
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Wife and I saw it yesterday. We're going to the IMAX a town over to catch it again.
- 29/12/2009 09:22:01 PM
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Project 880: The Avatar that might have been
- 31/12/2009 10:30:21 AM
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It just took the double at the Golden Globes.
- 18/01/2010 04:04:08 AM
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