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Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM

First, the "bomb from orbit." Why in the world would a transport ship have weapons capabilities? Our space shuttles certainly don't. Maybe this would have been feasible and maybe not, but I don't think it requires much suspension of disbelief to assume "not." And furthermore, it was stated that "a select few humans were allowed to stay." Maybe this means only good guys. Or maybe it includes ten or twenty hostages. Bomb us (just for money, mind you, you're in no danger up there) and you kill your commanders.


Bombing from orbit doesn't require that much in the way of weaponry. Recall the movies "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon" and their "chunk of rock from space being exponentially worse than nukes" scenarios. That is the principle behind kinetic energy weapons. You just toss a piece of sufficiently massive matter out the door and if you aim right, you get the same effect as a nuclear weapon. This is not something I made up - it is a common idea in science fiction, called "kinetic energy weapons." And hostages? Really? You think the big profit-hungry corporation is going to let THAT stop them? A KEW strike wouldn't leave enough bits for forensics to contest their assertion that the natives whacked the hostages anyway. And anyway, I am pretty sure it means good guys. The camera showed the fat black guy and the scrawny nerd when it said that, and it showed the corporate boss guy being led off in the line of those being kicked out. So, not hostages.

One few final notes
- The "ridiculously exposed rotors" are less exposed than helicopter rotors which have been used in combat against foes far more technically advanced than the Pandorans for over fifty years.

- Your counter-argument against humans being the underdogs seems to be that humans are just so badass that severe numerical, environmental and physiological handicaps are insufficient to overcome their awesome toughness!

- Your arguments about the capabilities of the corporation to come back again are a little strange. You talk about the prohibitive expense of sending the expedition as if it could be reasonably expected to bankrupt the company, but at the same time seem to think that space travel is so common as to enable companies to blithely send out mining expeditions on other planets without government approval and open assistance! Any company with the wealth to invest in interplanetary mining ventures, genetically engineer avatars & patronize useless scientists on the off-chance they might come up with something interesting, is going to have significant investments in government. If they really are operating on a shoestring, with all of these prohinitively expensive investments being underfinanced gambles hoping for a big return to pay for them, then there must be other, more wealthy and powerful companies capable of learning from the mistakes and going in full bore. If the company is the most wealthy and dominant company in the world, this loss could not have undone them - they have the ability to make so much more money from the technology they demonstrate that this one expedition cannot possibly be their sole or primary hope of income.
- If they can engineer Pandoran life-forms so as to create avatars capable of interacting biologically with the natural ones, how long do you think it would take them to whip up so bioweapons capable of taking care of all those naked savages without risking a single infantryman?
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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"Avatar" discussion thread - 17/12/2009 08:10:04 AM 2412 Views
Innovative world-building sci-fi, dull cliched story - 17/12/2009 01:13:47 PM 1097 Views
Agreed for the most part... - 17/12/2009 11:05:27 PM 1077 Views
Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? *NM* - 18/12/2009 03:33:58 AM 572 Views
*snorts* *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:03:05 AM 452 Views
Re: Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? - 18/12/2009 09:49:23 AM 1015 Views
Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 466 Views
Re: Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. - 19/12/2009 02:57:43 AM 985 Views
Avatar is basically Return of the Jedi, at least the part on Endor. But less militarily plausible - 19/12/2009 02:22:35 AM 1214 Views
Watch the movie again. - 19/12/2009 03:08:05 AM 1225 Views
It's a watered-down Dune. *NM* - 21/12/2009 08:41:39 AM 671 Views
What struck me the most about this movie... - 22/12/2009 01:25:00 AM 1030 Views
Predictable with a tired & preachy plot. (spoilers) Also, the ending was completely ludicrous. - 19/12/2009 03:02:21 AM 1477 Views
You need help *NM* - 19/12/2009 07:33:52 AM 703 Views
A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 20/12/2009 05:07:59 AM 1048 Views
Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM 1132 Views
It would help if you'd leave my quotes by the arguments, but whatever. - 22/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1034 Views
Heh... - 29/12/2009 11:01:41 PM 977 Views
wow, you really do need help - 21/12/2009 07:23:12 AM 1246 Views
If the bad guy has all the stones and still loses, how heroic were the heroes? - 21/12/2009 08:53:00 PM 1069 Views
Wow...you're serious? Really?? - 22/12/2009 04:56:20 PM 988 Views
lol - 22/12/2009 04:59:47 PM 948 Views
That's uncalled for IMO - 25/12/2009 09:04:01 PM 1157 Views
I am pretty sure she refered to the fact that he sheered for the bad guys and wished the Na'vi ill. - 25/12/2009 09:19:32 PM 1012 Views
He didn't cheer for them - 26/12/2009 01:05:40 AM 983 Views
...an attitude I always found a bit worrisome, too *NM* - 26/12/2009 11:48:40 AM 571 Views
I tend to agree - 21/12/2009 03:23:54 PM 959 Views
I thought the same things, but... - 25/12/2009 08:29:09 PM 969 Views
A fun time. Predictable, but not in a bad way. Minor Spoilers. - 19/12/2009 03:05:19 AM 964 Views
you said Fern Gully ^_^ - 19/12/2009 09:01:58 PM 998 Views
Spectacular - 19/12/2009 02:54:53 PM 1054 Views
A wonder of a movie experience *minor spoilers* - 19/12/2009 08:47:06 PM 1088 Views
Very good and fun, but not world-shattering. - 19/12/2009 11:19:26 PM 1278 Views
Has anyone seen this in 3D and not enjoyed it?? - 20/12/2009 06:11:52 PM 1095 Views
Cannoli, presumably. *NM* - 20/12/2009 10:41:48 PM 672 Views
Sure make fun of the visually impaired, asshole. - 21/12/2009 08:57:33 PM 1050 Views
Yeah, that's totally what I was doing. - 21/12/2009 11:59:26 PM 1094 Views
Do you buy them from antique shops? *NM* - 22/12/2009 01:10:12 AM 645 Views
Does this include the new 3D? - 22/12/2009 01:17:07 AM 1181 Views
same here - 22/12/2009 02:59:32 PM 890 Views
I'm tempted to make a joke about the depth of your posts. *NM* - 22/12/2009 04:31:04 AM 474 Views
is that what we are calling tunnel vision these days? *NM* - 24/12/2009 07:04:08 PM 583 Views
Dammit! So much better than mine. *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:19:19 AM 532 Views
Saw it with my family. - 20/12/2009 09:10:56 PM 932 Views
Sci-fi Pocahontas - 21/12/2009 01:12:02 AM 1072 Views
My friend and I spent the whole movie - 07/01/2010 12:50:56 AM 917 Views
Oh so you're the kind of movie-goer in the seat behind me... - 07/01/2010 11:20:56 AM 884 Views
No way! - 07/01/2010 03:48:48 PM 809 Views
that you mock at all is incredibly disrespectful - 07/01/2010 05:31:55 PM 997 Views
You're overreacting. - 07/01/2010 06:20:06 PM 957 Views
You said you do it quietly - 07/01/2010 08:18:07 PM 965 Views
Fair enough, fair enough. *NM* - 07/01/2010 08:57:23 PM 600 Views
Except maybe the purist who really needs to be kept in a total sensory deprivation chamber. *NM* - 08/01/2010 10:51:58 PM 496 Views
Nothing's more satisfying that seeing and hearing the crowd around you react like you do - 09/01/2010 01:36:36 PM 875 Views
*NM* - 09/01/2010 03:59:28 PM 543 Views
You should never watch a movie with me. - 10/01/2010 01:23:30 AM 949 Views
There's a gentlebot to see you, says his name is Tom Servo. - 08/01/2010 03:59:34 AM 970 Views
3D IMAX is worth the extra money... - 21/12/2009 08:40:57 AM 1024 Views
The only thing I am upset about - 21/12/2009 09:38:17 AM 1207 Views
Oh yeah, that puppy's been selling out like crazy. - 22/12/2009 12:01:18 AM 882 Views
Visually stunning. - 24/12/2009 02:12:42 PM 892 Views
As usual, Hollywood shoves an ideology down peoples' throats. *NM* - 26/12/2009 04:30:20 AM 446 Views
Once they've paid their ten bucks to get in. *NM* - 27/12/2009 04:31:59 AM 534 Views
A good ideology assault doesn't come cheap! *NM* - 28/12/2009 10:03:08 AM 540 Views
$14 evening show with 3D glasses. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:15:03 AM 643 Views
one point i haven't seen discussed yet.... - 26/12/2009 05:43:05 AM 1153 Views
It stinks!! *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:51:30 AM 668 Views
So, a silly thing I found distracting... - 29/12/2009 07:26:02 AM 1034 Views
that caught my eye too - 29/12/2009 07:36:46 AM 935 Views
A silly thing I found distracting was that the aliens were humanoid. *NM* - 29/12/2009 09:48:46 AM 617 Views
Umm you would rather watch non-humanoid aliens? Yeah thats fun *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 509 Views
*sigh* - 30/12/2009 11:09:16 AM 898 Views
Yes. Yes. - 01/01/2010 08:19:58 AM 951 Views
I have missed you so much on this site. *NM* - 02/01/2010 04:13:56 AM 483 Views
well. it's not necessarily erroneous either. - 30/12/2009 06:28:57 AM 883 Views
See my response to Dark Knight above. *NM* - 30/12/2009 11:11:27 AM 529 Views
ah okay. carry on then *NM* - 30/12/2009 04:44:12 PM 602 Views
Yes. - 03/01/2010 05:08:17 PM 1008 Views
I believe she was speaking about their tails. - 07/01/2010 07:37:46 AM 884 Views
If I remember it was the "USB Plug" in their hair. *NM* - 08/01/2010 08:29:38 AM 628 Views
Yep - 08/01/2010 09:33:08 AM 976 Views
*facepalm* yah, that's what i was talking about - 08/01/2010 05:31:33 PM 934 Views
I figured - 08/01/2010 05:50:22 PM 943 Views
Yes, the plot is simple, predictable and ideological - 29/12/2009 07:41:36 AM 913 Views
It was the best movie I've seen in ages. I'm seriously thinking of going to see it again. *NM* - 29/12/2009 12:20:11 PM 678 Views
We definitely will. - 29/12/2009 03:30:07 PM 954 Views
Going again tomorrow. *NM* - 02/01/2010 05:14:53 PM 683 Views
Project 880: The Avatar that might have been - 31/12/2009 10:30:21 AM 1235 Views
That is very interesting. - 31/12/2009 01:25:19 PM 898 Views
yeah - 02/01/2010 01:56:15 PM 1012 Views
i think that would be interesting to see - 31/12/2009 04:29:19 PM 1018 Views
Avatar is/was gonna make a pile of money anyways. - 31/12/2009 08:30:34 PM 1186 Views
Re: I hated the 3-D effect. It was horrible. - 10/01/2010 09:39:25 AM 955 Views
Stephen Colbert on Avatar - 15/01/2010 03:18:29 AM 788 Views
I liked it even better the 2nd time. *Spoilers* - 16/01/2010 12:23:50 AM 916 Views
Yeah, I really liked the music. *NM* - 16/01/2010 06:04:55 AM 644 Views
It just took the double at the Golden Globes. - 18/01/2010 04:04:08 AM 1014 Views
Ok, wow, I didn't expect that to happen. *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:59:51 AM 456 Views
I can't say I'm surprised it did. Not that I agree with it. *NM* - 18/01/2010 07:37:08 PM 411 Views
Okay I bit the bullet and went to see it - 18/01/2010 11:56:28 PM 908 Views
I always forget that I saw movies in 3D. - 19/01/2010 01:11:05 AM 995 Views

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