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Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM

First, the "bomb from orbit." Why in the world would a transport ship have weapons capabilities? Our space shuttles certainly don't. Maybe this would have been feasible and maybe not, but I don't think it requires much suspension of disbelief to assume "not." And furthermore, it was stated that "a select few humans were allowed to stay." Maybe this means only good guys. Or maybe it includes ten or twenty hostages. Bomb us (just for money, mind you, you're in no danger up there) and you kill your commanders.


Bombing from orbit doesn't require that much in the way of weaponry. Recall the movies "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon" and their "chunk of rock from space being exponentially worse than nukes" scenarios. That is the principle behind kinetic energy weapons. You just toss a piece of sufficiently massive matter out the door and if you aim right, you get the same effect as a nuclear weapon. This is not something I made up - it is a common idea in science fiction, called "kinetic energy weapons." And hostages? Really? You think the big profit-hungry corporation is going to let THAT stop them? A KEW strike wouldn't leave enough bits for forensics to contest their assertion that the natives whacked the hostages anyway. And anyway, I am pretty sure it means good guys. The camera showed the fat black guy and the scrawny nerd when it said that, and it showed the corporate boss guy being led off in the line of those being kicked out. So, not hostages.

One few final notes
- The "ridiculously exposed rotors" are less exposed than helicopter rotors which have been used in combat against foes far more technically advanced than the Pandorans for over fifty years.

- Your counter-argument against humans being the underdogs seems to be that humans are just so badass that severe numerical, environmental and physiological handicaps are insufficient to overcome their awesome toughness!

- Your arguments about the capabilities of the corporation to come back again are a little strange. You talk about the prohibitive expense of sending the expedition as if it could be reasonably expected to bankrupt the company, but at the same time seem to think that space travel is so common as to enable companies to blithely send out mining expeditions on other planets without government approval and open assistance! Any company with the wealth to invest in interplanetary mining ventures, genetically engineer avatars & patronize useless scientists on the off-chance they might come up with something interesting, is going to have significant investments in government. If they really are operating on a shoestring, with all of these prohinitively expensive investments being underfinanced gambles hoping for a big return to pay for them, then there must be other, more wealthy and powerful companies capable of learning from the mistakes and going in full bore. If the company is the most wealthy and dominant company in the world, this loss could not have undone them - they have the ability to make so much more money from the technology they demonstrate that this one expedition cannot possibly be their sole or primary hope of income.
- If they can engineer Pandoran life-forms so as to create avatars capable of interacting biologically with the natural ones, how long do you think it would take them to whip up so bioweapons capable of taking care of all those naked savages without risking a single infantryman?
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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"Avatar" discussion thread - 17/12/2009 08:10:04 AM 2418 Views
Innovative world-building sci-fi, dull cliched story - 17/12/2009 01:13:47 PM 1102 Views
Agreed for the most part... - 17/12/2009 11:05:27 PM 1082 Views
Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? *NM* - 18/12/2009 03:33:58 AM 575 Views
*snorts* *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:03:05 AM 455 Views
Re: Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? - 18/12/2009 09:49:23 AM 1019 Views
Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 469 Views
Re: Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. - 19/12/2009 02:57:43 AM 988 Views
Avatar is basically Return of the Jedi, at least the part on Endor. But less militarily plausible - 19/12/2009 02:22:35 AM 1217 Views
Watch the movie again. - 19/12/2009 03:08:05 AM 1229 Views
It's a watered-down Dune. *NM* - 21/12/2009 08:41:39 AM 674 Views
What struck me the most about this movie... - 22/12/2009 01:25:00 AM 1033 Views
Predictable with a tired & preachy plot. (spoilers) Also, the ending was completely ludicrous. - 19/12/2009 03:02:21 AM 1480 Views
You need help *NM* - 19/12/2009 07:33:52 AM 705 Views
A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 20/12/2009 05:07:59 AM 1052 Views
Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM 1136 Views
It would help if you'd leave my quotes by the arguments, but whatever. - 22/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1037 Views
Heh... - 29/12/2009 11:01:41 PM 983 Views
wow, you really do need help - 21/12/2009 07:23:12 AM 1249 Views
If the bad guy has all the stones and still loses, how heroic were the heroes? - 21/12/2009 08:53:00 PM 1072 Views
Wow...you're serious? Really?? - 22/12/2009 04:56:20 PM 994 Views
lol - 22/12/2009 04:59:47 PM 951 Views
That's uncalled for IMO - 25/12/2009 09:04:01 PM 1161 Views
I am pretty sure she refered to the fact that he sheered for the bad guys and wished the Na'vi ill. - 25/12/2009 09:19:32 PM 1016 Views
He didn't cheer for them - 26/12/2009 01:05:40 AM 986 Views
...an attitude I always found a bit worrisome, too *NM* - 26/12/2009 11:48:40 AM 573 Views
I tend to agree - 21/12/2009 03:23:54 PM 964 Views
I thought the same things, but... - 25/12/2009 08:29:09 PM 974 Views
A fun time. Predictable, but not in a bad way. Minor Spoilers. - 19/12/2009 03:05:19 AM 967 Views
you said Fern Gully ^_^ - 19/12/2009 09:01:58 PM 1003 Views
Spectacular - 19/12/2009 02:54:53 PM 1060 Views
A wonder of a movie experience *minor spoilers* - 19/12/2009 08:47:06 PM 1094 Views
Very good and fun, but not world-shattering. - 19/12/2009 11:19:26 PM 1285 Views
Has anyone seen this in 3D and not enjoyed it?? - 20/12/2009 06:11:52 PM 1098 Views
Cannoli, presumably. *NM* - 20/12/2009 10:41:48 PM 674 Views
Sure make fun of the visually impaired, asshole. - 21/12/2009 08:57:33 PM 1055 Views
Yeah, that's totally what I was doing. - 21/12/2009 11:59:26 PM 1099 Views
Do you buy them from antique shops? *NM* - 22/12/2009 01:10:12 AM 654 Views
Does this include the new 3D? - 22/12/2009 01:17:07 AM 1184 Views
same here - 22/12/2009 02:59:32 PM 895 Views
I'm tempted to make a joke about the depth of your posts. *NM* - 22/12/2009 04:31:04 AM 477 Views
is that what we are calling tunnel vision these days? *NM* - 24/12/2009 07:04:08 PM 585 Views
Dammit! So much better than mine. *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:19:19 AM 534 Views
Saw it with my family. - 20/12/2009 09:10:56 PM 937 Views
Sci-fi Pocahontas - 21/12/2009 01:12:02 AM 1077 Views
My friend and I spent the whole movie - 07/01/2010 12:50:56 AM 920 Views
Oh so you're the kind of movie-goer in the seat behind me... - 07/01/2010 11:20:56 AM 887 Views
No way! - 07/01/2010 03:48:48 PM 813 Views
that you mock at all is incredibly disrespectful - 07/01/2010 05:31:55 PM 1000 Views
You're overreacting. - 07/01/2010 06:20:06 PM 961 Views
You said you do it quietly - 07/01/2010 08:18:07 PM 968 Views
Fair enough, fair enough. *NM* - 07/01/2010 08:57:23 PM 602 Views
Except maybe the purist who really needs to be kept in a total sensory deprivation chamber. *NM* - 08/01/2010 10:51:58 PM 498 Views
Nothing's more satisfying that seeing and hearing the crowd around you react like you do - 09/01/2010 01:36:36 PM 879 Views
*NM* - 09/01/2010 03:59:28 PM 545 Views
You should never watch a movie with me. - 10/01/2010 01:23:30 AM 951 Views
There's a gentlebot to see you, says his name is Tom Servo. - 08/01/2010 03:59:34 AM 977 Views
3D IMAX is worth the extra money... - 21/12/2009 08:40:57 AM 1029 Views
The only thing I am upset about - 21/12/2009 09:38:17 AM 1212 Views
Oh yeah, that puppy's been selling out like crazy. - 22/12/2009 12:01:18 AM 886 Views
Visually stunning. - 24/12/2009 02:12:42 PM 896 Views
As usual, Hollywood shoves an ideology down peoples' throats. *NM* - 26/12/2009 04:30:20 AM 449 Views
Once they've paid their ten bucks to get in. *NM* - 27/12/2009 04:31:59 AM 536 Views
A good ideology assault doesn't come cheap! *NM* - 28/12/2009 10:03:08 AM 543 Views
$14 evening show with 3D glasses. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:15:03 AM 645 Views
one point i haven't seen discussed yet.... - 26/12/2009 05:43:05 AM 1159 Views
It stinks!! *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:51:30 AM 671 Views
So, a silly thing I found distracting... - 29/12/2009 07:26:02 AM 1040 Views
that caught my eye too - 29/12/2009 07:36:46 AM 940 Views
A silly thing I found distracting was that the aliens were humanoid. *NM* - 29/12/2009 09:48:46 AM 620 Views
Umm you would rather watch non-humanoid aliens? Yeah thats fun *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 512 Views
*sigh* - 30/12/2009 11:09:16 AM 904 Views
Yes. Yes. - 01/01/2010 08:19:58 AM 954 Views
I have missed you so much on this site. *NM* - 02/01/2010 04:13:56 AM 486 Views
well. it's not necessarily erroneous either. - 30/12/2009 06:28:57 AM 886 Views
See my response to Dark Knight above. *NM* - 30/12/2009 11:11:27 AM 531 Views
ah okay. carry on then *NM* - 30/12/2009 04:44:12 PM 604 Views
Yes. - 03/01/2010 05:08:17 PM 1015 Views
I believe she was speaking about their tails. - 07/01/2010 07:37:46 AM 887 Views
If I remember it was the "USB Plug" in their hair. *NM* - 08/01/2010 08:29:38 AM 631 Views
Yep - 08/01/2010 09:33:08 AM 981 Views
*facepalm* yah, that's what i was talking about - 08/01/2010 05:31:33 PM 937 Views
I figured - 08/01/2010 05:50:22 PM 946 Views
Yes, the plot is simple, predictable and ideological - 29/12/2009 07:41:36 AM 916 Views
It was the best movie I've seen in ages. I'm seriously thinking of going to see it again. *NM* - 29/12/2009 12:20:11 PM 681 Views
We definitely will. - 29/12/2009 03:30:07 PM 959 Views
Going again tomorrow. *NM* - 02/01/2010 05:14:53 PM 686 Views
Project 880: The Avatar that might have been - 31/12/2009 10:30:21 AM 1240 Views
That is very interesting. - 31/12/2009 01:25:19 PM 903 Views
yeah - 02/01/2010 01:56:15 PM 1015 Views
i think that would be interesting to see - 31/12/2009 04:29:19 PM 1023 Views
Avatar is/was gonna make a pile of money anyways. - 31/12/2009 08:30:34 PM 1191 Views
Re: I hated the 3-D effect. It was horrible. - 10/01/2010 09:39:25 AM 959 Views
Stephen Colbert on Avatar - 15/01/2010 03:18:29 AM 791 Views
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It just took the double at the Golden Globes. - 18/01/2010 04:04:08 AM 1020 Views
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I can't say I'm surprised it did. Not that I agree with it. *NM* - 18/01/2010 07:37:08 PM 415 Views
Okay I bit the bullet and went to see it - 18/01/2010 11:56:28 PM 912 Views
I always forget that I saw movies in 3D. - 19/01/2010 01:11:05 AM 1000 Views

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