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Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM

First, the "bomb from orbit." Why in the world would a transport ship have weapons capabilities? Our space shuttles certainly don't. Maybe this would have been feasible and maybe not, but I don't think it requires much suspension of disbelief to assume "not." And furthermore, it was stated that "a select few humans were allowed to stay." Maybe this means only good guys. Or maybe it includes ten or twenty hostages. Bomb us (just for money, mind you, you're in no danger up there) and you kill your commanders.


Bombing from orbit doesn't require that much in the way of weaponry. Recall the movies "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon" and their "chunk of rock from space being exponentially worse than nukes" scenarios. That is the principle behind kinetic energy weapons. You just toss a piece of sufficiently massive matter out the door and if you aim right, you get the same effect as a nuclear weapon. This is not something I made up - it is a common idea in science fiction, called "kinetic energy weapons." And hostages? Really? You think the big profit-hungry corporation is going to let THAT stop them? A KEW strike wouldn't leave enough bits for forensics to contest their assertion that the natives whacked the hostages anyway. And anyway, I am pretty sure it means good guys. The camera showed the fat black guy and the scrawny nerd when it said that, and it showed the corporate boss guy being led off in the line of those being kicked out. So, not hostages.

One few final notes
- The "ridiculously exposed rotors" are less exposed than helicopter rotors which have been used in combat against foes far more technically advanced than the Pandorans for over fifty years.

- Your counter-argument against humans being the underdogs seems to be that humans are just so badass that severe numerical, environmental and physiological handicaps are insufficient to overcome their awesome toughness!

- Your arguments about the capabilities of the corporation to come back again are a little strange. You talk about the prohibitive expense of sending the expedition as if it could be reasonably expected to bankrupt the company, but at the same time seem to think that space travel is so common as to enable companies to blithely send out mining expeditions on other planets without government approval and open assistance! Any company with the wealth to invest in interplanetary mining ventures, genetically engineer avatars & patronize useless scientists on the off-chance they might come up with something interesting, is going to have significant investments in government. If they really are operating on a shoestring, with all of these prohinitively expensive investments being underfinanced gambles hoping for a big return to pay for them, then there must be other, more wealthy and powerful companies capable of learning from the mistakes and going in full bore. If the company is the most wealthy and dominant company in the world, this loss could not have undone them - they have the ability to make so much more money from the technology they demonstrate that this one expedition cannot possibly be their sole or primary hope of income.
- If they can engineer Pandoran life-forms so as to create avatars capable of interacting biologically with the natural ones, how long do you think it would take them to whip up so bioweapons capable of taking care of all those naked savages without risking a single infantryman?
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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"Avatar" discussion thread - 17/12/2009 08:10:04 AM 2464 Views
Innovative world-building sci-fi, dull cliched story - 17/12/2009 01:13:47 PM 1177 Views
Agreed for the most part... - 17/12/2009 11:05:27 PM 1163 Views
Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? *NM* - 18/12/2009 03:33:58 AM 594 Views
*snorts* *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:03:05 AM 473 Views
Re: Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? - 18/12/2009 09:49:23 AM 1066 Views
Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 492 Views
Re: Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. - 19/12/2009 02:57:43 AM 1033 Views
Avatar is basically Return of the Jedi, at least the part on Endor. But less militarily plausible - 19/12/2009 02:22:35 AM 1262 Views
Watch the movie again. - 19/12/2009 03:08:05 AM 1280 Views
It's a watered-down Dune. *NM* - 21/12/2009 08:41:39 AM 694 Views
What struck me the most about this movie... - 22/12/2009 01:25:00 AM 1081 Views
Predictable with a tired & preachy plot. (spoilers) Also, the ending was completely ludicrous. - 19/12/2009 03:02:21 AM 1547 Views
You need help *NM* - 19/12/2009 07:33:52 AM 733 Views
A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 20/12/2009 05:07:59 AM 1119 Views
Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM 1189 Views
It would help if you'd leave my quotes by the arguments, but whatever. - 22/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1095 Views
Heh... - 29/12/2009 11:01:41 PM 1031 Views
wow, you really do need help - 21/12/2009 07:23:12 AM 1313 Views
If the bad guy has all the stones and still loses, how heroic were the heroes? - 21/12/2009 08:53:00 PM 1123 Views
Wow...you're serious? Really?? - 22/12/2009 04:56:20 PM 1044 Views
lol - 22/12/2009 04:59:47 PM 998 Views
That's uncalled for IMO - 25/12/2009 09:04:01 PM 1212 Views
I am pretty sure she refered to the fact that he sheered for the bad guys and wished the Na'vi ill. - 25/12/2009 09:19:32 PM 1077 Views
He didn't cheer for them - 26/12/2009 01:05:40 AM 1037 Views
...an attitude I always found a bit worrisome, too *NM* - 26/12/2009 11:48:40 AM 600 Views
I tend to agree - 21/12/2009 03:23:54 PM 1012 Views
I thought the same things, but... - 25/12/2009 08:29:09 PM 1045 Views
A fun time. Predictable, but not in a bad way. Minor Spoilers. - 19/12/2009 03:05:19 AM 1033 Views
you said Fern Gully ^_^ - 19/12/2009 09:01:58 PM 1054 Views
Spectacular - 19/12/2009 02:54:53 PM 1108 Views
A wonder of a movie experience *minor spoilers* - 19/12/2009 08:47:06 PM 1153 Views
Very good and fun, but not world-shattering. - 19/12/2009 11:19:26 PM 1330 Views
Has anyone seen this in 3D and not enjoyed it?? - 20/12/2009 06:11:52 PM 1150 Views
Cannoli, presumably. *NM* - 20/12/2009 10:41:48 PM 691 Views
Sure make fun of the visually impaired, asshole. - 21/12/2009 08:57:33 PM 1115 Views
Yeah, that's totally what I was doing. - 21/12/2009 11:59:26 PM 1185 Views
Do you buy them from antique shops? *NM* - 22/12/2009 01:10:12 AM 681 Views
Does this include the new 3D? - 22/12/2009 01:17:07 AM 1232 Views
same here - 22/12/2009 02:59:32 PM 946 Views
I'm tempted to make a joke about the depth of your posts. *NM* - 22/12/2009 04:31:04 AM 498 Views
is that what we are calling tunnel vision these days? *NM* - 24/12/2009 07:04:08 PM 606 Views
Dammit! So much better than mine. *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:19:19 AM 558 Views
Saw it with my family. - 20/12/2009 09:10:56 PM 987 Views
Sci-fi Pocahontas - 21/12/2009 01:12:02 AM 1131 Views
My friend and I spent the whole movie - 07/01/2010 12:50:56 AM 965 Views
Oh so you're the kind of movie-goer in the seat behind me... - 07/01/2010 11:20:56 AM 948 Views
No way! - 07/01/2010 03:48:48 PM 859 Views
that you mock at all is incredibly disrespectful - 07/01/2010 05:31:55 PM 1047 Views
You're overreacting. - 07/01/2010 06:20:06 PM 1003 Views
You said you do it quietly - 07/01/2010 08:18:07 PM 1019 Views
Fair enough, fair enough. *NM* - 07/01/2010 08:57:23 PM 620 Views
Except maybe the purist who really needs to be kept in a total sensory deprivation chamber. *NM* - 08/01/2010 10:51:58 PM 519 Views
Nothing's more satisfying that seeing and hearing the crowd around you react like you do - 09/01/2010 01:36:36 PM 931 Views
*NM* - 09/01/2010 03:59:28 PM 566 Views
You should never watch a movie with me. - 10/01/2010 01:23:30 AM 1022 Views
There's a gentlebot to see you, says his name is Tom Servo. - 08/01/2010 03:59:34 AM 1022 Views
3D IMAX is worth the extra money... - 21/12/2009 08:40:57 AM 1076 Views
The only thing I am upset about - 21/12/2009 09:38:17 AM 1293 Views
Oh yeah, that puppy's been selling out like crazy. - 22/12/2009 12:01:18 AM 927 Views
Visually stunning. - 24/12/2009 02:12:42 PM 944 Views
As usual, Hollywood shoves an ideology down peoples' throats. *NM* - 26/12/2009 04:30:20 AM 469 Views
Once they've paid their ten bucks to get in. *NM* - 27/12/2009 04:31:59 AM 558 Views
A good ideology assault doesn't come cheap! *NM* - 28/12/2009 10:03:08 AM 592 Views
$14 evening show with 3D glasses. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:15:03 AM 665 Views
one point i haven't seen discussed yet.... - 26/12/2009 05:43:05 AM 1221 Views
It stinks!! *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:51:30 AM 692 Views
So, a silly thing I found distracting... - 29/12/2009 07:26:02 AM 1089 Views
that caught my eye too - 29/12/2009 07:36:46 AM 987 Views
A silly thing I found distracting was that the aliens were humanoid. *NM* - 29/12/2009 09:48:46 AM 640 Views
Umm you would rather watch non-humanoid aliens? Yeah thats fun *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 533 Views
*sigh* - 30/12/2009 11:09:16 AM 953 Views
Yes. Yes. - 01/01/2010 08:19:58 AM 1006 Views
I have missed you so much on this site. *NM* - 02/01/2010 04:13:56 AM 507 Views
well. it's not necessarily erroneous either. - 30/12/2009 06:28:57 AM 951 Views
See my response to Dark Knight above. *NM* - 30/12/2009 11:11:27 AM 553 Views
ah okay. carry on then *NM* - 30/12/2009 04:44:12 PM 622 Views
Yes. - 03/01/2010 05:08:17 PM 1066 Views
I believe she was speaking about their tails. - 07/01/2010 07:37:46 AM 933 Views
If I remember it was the "USB Plug" in their hair. *NM* - 08/01/2010 08:29:38 AM 652 Views
Yep - 08/01/2010 09:33:08 AM 1026 Views
*facepalm* yah, that's what i was talking about - 08/01/2010 05:31:33 PM 992 Views
I figured - 08/01/2010 05:50:22 PM 1010 Views
Yes, the plot is simple, predictable and ideological - 29/12/2009 07:41:36 AM 973 Views
It was the best movie I've seen in ages. I'm seriously thinking of going to see it again. *NM* - 29/12/2009 12:20:11 PM 701 Views
We definitely will. - 29/12/2009 03:30:07 PM 1011 Views
Going again tomorrow. *NM* - 02/01/2010 05:14:53 PM 706 Views
Project 880: The Avatar that might have been - 31/12/2009 10:30:21 AM 1290 Views
That is very interesting. - 31/12/2009 01:25:19 PM 962 Views
yeah - 02/01/2010 01:56:15 PM 1066 Views
i think that would be interesting to see - 31/12/2009 04:29:19 PM 1099 Views
Avatar is/was gonna make a pile of money anyways. - 31/12/2009 08:30:34 PM 1247 Views
Re: I hated the 3-D effect. It was horrible. - 10/01/2010 09:39:25 AM 1007 Views
Stephen Colbert on Avatar - 15/01/2010 03:18:29 AM 841 Views
I liked it even better the 2nd time. *Spoilers* - 16/01/2010 12:23:50 AM 968 Views
Yeah, I really liked the music. *NM* - 16/01/2010 06:04:55 AM 663 Views
It just took the double at the Golden Globes. - 18/01/2010 04:04:08 AM 1072 Views
Ok, wow, I didn't expect that to happen. *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:59:51 AM 478 Views
I can't say I'm surprised it did. Not that I agree with it. *NM* - 18/01/2010 07:37:08 PM 432 Views
Okay I bit the bullet and went to see it - 18/01/2010 11:56:28 PM 995 Views
I always forget that I saw movies in 3D. - 19/01/2010 01:11:05 AM 1046 Views

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