I think the word-by-word translation is:
Far = To (implying some sort of "connection" or "association", I suspect)
Dareis = Spear
Mai = Maidins
Because, we have another similar phrase, "Far Aldazar Din", which means "Brothers of the Eagle".
Far = To (implying some sort of "connection" or "association", I suspect)
Dareis = Spear
Mai = Maidins
Because, we have another similar phrase, "Far Aldazar Din", which means "Brothers of the Eagle".
That's actually what made me think the expression Far Dareis Mai might be more accurately translated as something like "spear-wives-who-are-maidens" than strictly Maidens of the Spear, as it would fit the Aiel pattern of kin ties denominations. Actually, I think the name carries this meaning: Maidens who are wedded to the Spear. The Maidens make about as much fuss about being maidens wed to no man as they make about being wedded to the spear. An alternative is, of course, that Far Dareis Mai means in truth "spear-sisters" Maidens also use that name in the NT to refer to the society. I don't think we should necessarily take for granted Far Dareis Mai translated literally to the alternative names the Maidens use in the NT.
We have two names with "Far" and the other one includes a kinship. Along the same line as your "connection", but going a step further, I was thinking maybe "far" is not so much a proposition but a word that indicate a kin relationship. In other words, brother isn't just "Din" but "Far ... Din" when you specify who the person is brother to.
We know the language is subtle and complex and there are more than one way to say something. Using "far" seems not to be the exclusive grammatical way to compound "a connection" (kinship or not). The name lanfear doesn't use it, nor do the very similar expression (to Far Aldazar Din) "Treebrother"/"Brother to the trees" which is not Far Ala(t) Din, but Alatin. In this one, we have also an example of what I mentionned before about switching consonant in compounds according to rules we don't know about. It sounds likely the root words are alat and din, and in this case the "d" vanish.
We know "Aldazar" = Eagle (from Carai an caldazar).
This one is interesting, because it's an example of contraction of a root word within a compound word. If we look only at the root words, this should be calaldazar (cal=red, aldazar=eagle) but as we see, the repeated syllable is omitted when the two words are compounded.
As I said, the OT doesn't seem very intuitive to English or French speakers like us. It's a whole different sort of language. With the contractions, shifts, variations/levels, we can really go only so far in trying to puzzle it out.
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- 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM
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Yeah...
- 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM
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Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand...
- 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM
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Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames?
- 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM
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Nice ideas!
- 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM
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The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten
- 17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM
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Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten
- 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM
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Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle
- 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM
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Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use
- 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM
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I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation
- 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM
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it's the other way around...
- 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM
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good point
- 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM
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Re: good point
- 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM
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Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name
- 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM
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What about Cyndane
- 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM
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- 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM
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It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned
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- 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM
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- 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM
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Well she earned Mierin
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- 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM
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how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her
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- 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM
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she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha
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- 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM
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HA! But technically I think her mother earned that
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- 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM
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Re: good point
- 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM
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Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive
- 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM
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I disagree
- 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM
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Personally I think that order was off the cuff
- 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM
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Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff
- 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM
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Disagree
- 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM
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Re: Disagree
- 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM
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I'm not being very clear
- 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
- 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
- 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
- 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM
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The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown.
- 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM
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The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive
- 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM
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I don't see that bearing out in the text at all
- 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM
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Like Etzel I don't agree
- 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM
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I think she's a weak villain
- 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM
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Re: I think she's a weak villain
- 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM
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and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos
- 17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM
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Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations
- 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM
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Regarding "Demandred" ...
- 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM
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I always thought it was a coincidence
- 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM
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Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence...
- 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM
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Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence...
- 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM
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Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense
- 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM
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Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense
- 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM
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Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ...
- 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM
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Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ...
- 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM
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And Dragon translations...
- 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM
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Re: And Dragon translations...
- 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM
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Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"?
- 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM
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It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning
- 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM
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Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand
- 18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM
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like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears"
- 18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM
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But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon
- 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM
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If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too...
- 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM
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"Dragon Wannabe"
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- 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM
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- 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM
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Lizard? *NM*
- 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM
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"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride
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- 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM
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- 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM
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It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words...
- 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM
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