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A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM
Generally I don't have too high an opinion about the WoT wiki, but this seems to have been made by someone who knows what they're talking about. A bit short, but it's not as if there's much information to be had.

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And now, a snarl of thoughts:


Birgitte's OT phrase to Mat in the CoS seems to indicate that nosane means (we?) speak.

Aginor's original name was Ishar. Seems to me that feminine names can be made from masculines by adding -a. Ishara was the founder of Andor.

A bit odd how all the names of the great cities during the Compact of the Ten Nations seem all to have had a meaning in the OT. An example: Manetheren means "Mountain home" and one of its cities was Corartheren. Cor is probably night (Cor darei, Night Spears) and Theren sounds more like mountain than home. Night Mountain? Theren is pretty close to Therin, as in Lews Therin.

Three of the names of the Ogier Steddings end in -toine. Stedding itself might mean "dwelling" or something.

I hate seeing patterns when there probably aren't any. But..Tel Janin Aellinsar was Sammael's original name. Tel is also present in Tel'aran'rhiod, and -ael in is Sammael. One of the Ten Nations, Aelgar, also has Ael in it. As does Asmo's fake name Natael. Perhaps Moiraine became suspicious of Asmodean because his name is a pun, meaning "lost hope" or something. Perhaps Lanfear likes puns as much as Sammael.

So, ael is the word meaning hope? Mael might be a way of spelling M'ael, like in the words M'hael (again with the ael. Perhaps RJ just liked the sound) and M'taal.

Siswai'amam meaning a spear owned by the dragon, dragon could be aman. Somewhat like amon in Telamon. And tel is also a word.. So in two instances the "third name" which the awardee himself chose bears some semblance to the "honorific" they received. AELlinsar..sammAEL, telAMON..Aman.

Maravaile..Mar also being present in Mar Ruois (a city during the AoL) and Aile meaning Isle.

I can't think of an example but I think Dar is a word too. What could Ebou Dar mean?

How would one translate the name of the Palace in Chachin, Aesdaishar. The shine of all?


This is definitely more interesting than dissing/exalting Lanfear and about as useful. I'm starting to feel as sensible as the guy who very regularly makes post at the 13th depository. Ridiculous connections and all that. :D

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Forsaken translations - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2712 Views
Yeah... - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1946 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 2318 Views
You are right... - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1846 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1787 Views
On Be'lal - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1637 Views
Nice ideas! - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1757 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1631 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1546 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1599 Views
or that *NM* - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 918 Views
About Aginor - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 2066 Views
Great! - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1746 Views
Some Old Tongue translations - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1639 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 905 Views
Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1719 Views
Re: Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1534 Views
Very interesting! - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1716 Views
As always, - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1516 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1859 Views
it's the other way around... - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1593 Views
good point - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1584 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1643 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1618 Views
What about Cyndane - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1529 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 833 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 952 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 861 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 824 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 747 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 831 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 871 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1685 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1615 Views
I disagree - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1651 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1761 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1713 Views
Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1634 Views
Re: Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1609 Views
I'm not being very clear - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1597 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 4075 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1600 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1474 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1636 Views
I think it's shown well - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1779 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1712 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1660 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1470 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 1426 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1620 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1537 Views
- 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1644 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1666 Views
not ballsy, just psycho - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1647 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1524 Views
I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1517 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1589 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1591 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1604 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1862 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1569 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 800 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1657 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1619 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1618 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1634 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1638 Views
Interesting *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 907 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1842 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1523 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1620 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1828 Views
And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1741 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1551 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1789 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 858 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1793 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 706 Views
Lizard? *NM* - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 895 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 786 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 1348 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7801 Views

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