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true, but he's also be transformed in some unknown way. Not sure he really counts as human darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 26/06/2010 05:46:46 PM
There were Aiel involved in the drilling of the bore. Their, seemingly, baseless insistance that only bad can come from entering T'A'R could be a hangover of forgotten knowledge that opening gateways to T'A'R was part of the process of drilling the bore.

Aiel dreamwalkers frequently refer to the act of entering fully into T'A'R as a thing of the shadow.


They refer to it as a thing of the Shadow because many of the Forsaken would drag people into TAR in the flesh during the War of Power and then (I assume) do bad things to them.

Imagine the ramifications of being nabbed by a Forsaken, dragged through a gateway to who-knows-where, and from there you can be taken anywhere in TAR with a thought. Anything can be done to you from OP weaves to walking nightmares, and there is NO ONE THERE to rescue you. We know how hard it is to find someone specific in TAR unless you have a pre-determined meeting place.

The Wise Ones said that each time you enter TAR in the flesh, you lose a little bit of your human self, but I think that part was derived over a long time from the belief that it was an evil thing to do.
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How can Rand repair the bore? More importantly, what forms the boundary of the Wheel itself? newyorkersedai - 25/06/2010 01:00:35 AM 1886 Views
Re: How can Rand repair the bore? More importantly, what forms the boundary of the Wheel itself? scooter - 25/06/2010 04:18:42 AM 1100 Views
.. *NM* Demortae - 25/06/2010 05:38:14 AM 555 Views
Mierin thought they had found a new source of power, not of THE power. CatherineSedai - 25/06/2010 05:40:27 PM 1147 Views
Re: Mierin thought they had found a new source of power, not of THE power. scooter - 30/06/2010 03:18:32 AM 1083 Views
Why can't the Pattern be the Prison? LoialT - 25/06/2010 05:52:31 AM 1209 Views
Here's a theory I had posted on wotmania bobsledai - 25/06/2010 06:16:07 AM 1204 Views
I told you this about 4 years ago, but your nickname is AWESOME *NM* Deadsy - 25/06/2010 01:21:24 PM 529 Views
Thanks *NM* bobsledai - 25/06/2010 01:44:35 PM 549 Views
Aiel Reluctance to Enter T'A'R in the flesh Insomdeon - 25/06/2010 02:12:01 PM 1087 Views
Nice catch! bobsledai - 25/06/2010 04:28:08 PM 1031 Views
The Aiel's insistance is not baseless. They know why they say it is evil. CatherineSedai - 25/06/2010 06:01:08 PM 1154 Views
You might be right, but the other idea is far more interesting. *NM* Deadsy - 25/06/2010 10:18:37 PM 504 Views
Slayer seems quite inhuman and he's been in TAR in the flesh a lot Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/06/2010 04:29:24 AM 940 Views
true, but he's also be transformed in some unknown way. Not sure he really counts as human darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 05:46:46 PM 1137 Views
My idea Etzel - 25/06/2010 09:37:32 AM 1055 Views
Re: My idea Demortae - 25/06/2010 04:26:47 PM 991 Views
If the Bore is like a Gateway... LoialT - 25/06/2010 06:19:44 PM 1139 Views
Pretty good thought about the conduit-comparison! Etzel - 26/06/2010 07:34:16 AM 984 Views
Re: My idea DomA - 25/06/2010 06:44:31 PM 1088 Views
The very name "Bore"... Etzel - 26/06/2010 07:25:22 AM 1034 Views
Actually I think he pretty much backed DomA's opinion Sidious - 26/06/2010 08:30:42 AM 939 Views
Well, as said, I disagree. Etzel - 26/06/2010 08:43:40 AM 1011 Views
Well here's what I think Sidious - 26/06/2010 11:18:33 AM 1246 Views
Look... Etzel - 26/06/2010 11:43:25 AM 971 Views
Re: Look... DomA - 26/06/2010 01:04:53 PM 1035 Views
That's wrong... Etzel - 26/06/2010 01:26:25 PM 1178 Views
You're ignoring basic facts Sidious - 26/06/2010 02:44:38 PM 1009 Views
Again... Etzel - 26/06/2010 02:53:05 PM 1080 Views
Re: Again... Deadsy - 26/06/2010 03:30:20 PM 1023 Views
No, the Bore was drilled through that specific thinness in the Pattern. Etzel - 26/06/2010 03:54:51 PM 1081 Views
Yeah.... DomA - 26/06/2010 04:54:50 PM 1057 Views
It's absurd. Your idea is clearly wrong, but ok... *NM* Etzel - 26/06/2010 05:00:43 PM 952 Views
After reading through the back and forth, I am convinced of this: bobsledai - 26/06/2010 05:33:21 PM 1143 Views
Re: After reading through the back and forth, I am convinced of this: DomA - 27/06/2010 06:20:32 PM 1227 Views
Could the Bore have been drilled using balefire? Fanatic-Templar - 02/07/2010 12:07:33 AM 988 Views
it's the same principle as shielding a channeler darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 06:06:04 PM 1057 Views
Re: How can Rand repair the bore? Evil_Monkey - 25/06/2010 03:37:25 PM 884 Views
Re: How can Rand repair the bore? Demortae - 25/06/2010 04:12:08 PM 1012 Views
I tend to agree with you CatherineSedai - 25/06/2010 05:53:53 PM 1040 Views
Maybe they can plug the Bore with garbage like British Petroleum. *NM* CatherineSedai - 25/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 536 Views
Re: How can Rand repair the bore? More importantly, what forms the boundary of the Wheel itself? DomA - 25/06/2010 05:59:38 PM 1221 Views
Re: How can Rand repair the bore? More importantly, what forms the boundary of the Wheel itself? MissKoalaVB - 25/06/2010 06:55:28 PM 1019 Views
me too ! Deadsy - 25/06/2010 10:34:41 PM 1009 Views
Ah, thanks to both of you DomA - 26/06/2010 12:38:14 AM 1199 Views
Re: Ah, thanks to both of you Deadsy - 26/06/2010 03:18:47 AM 1037 Views
It sounds similar to one of the noisy environmental problem in RJ's time redhand - 27/06/2010 02:22:27 AM 1071 Views
Re: How can Rand repair the bore? More importantly, what forms the boundary of the Wheel itself? Demortae - 25/06/2010 11:27:18 PM 1009 Views
Callandor may be able to channel 'order' via ta'veren Matrimony Cauthon - 26/06/2010 12:48:18 AM 1168 Views
additional thought on the DO's place in the WoT symbols newyorkersedai - 26/06/2010 05:44:06 AM 1003 Views
Re: additional thought on the DO's place in the WoT symbols Demortae - 26/06/2010 05:23:16 PM 873 Views
You mix up DomA - 27/06/2010 06:31:27 PM 926 Views
good point newyorkersedai - 02/07/2010 05:52:49 PM 1323 Views
duct tape *NM* Deadsy - 26/06/2010 11:17:54 AM 480 Views
Re: duct tape Demortae - 26/06/2010 05:41:56 PM 924 Views
I always figured Egwene and Rand would have to work together. CatherineSedai - 29/06/2010 08:26:45 PM 1120 Views
Re: I always figured Egwene and Rand would have to work together. Demortae - 29/06/2010 10:17:59 PM 923 Views
Maybe saidar and saidin, woven together properly, form something else? The Angry Druid - 01/07/2010 11:50:40 PM 944 Views
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