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Assuming Verin is right Sidious Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM

He does? How do you know? How do you know that Moridin isn't right, and that the DO is patient, and won't mind losing this time?

Because the Dark One's depth extends as far as Robert Jordan's does, and considering the author isn't a man of divine mentation, I'm pretty sure the Dark One is one dimensional in his quest to win. Trying to make as if the Dark One wouldn't mind losing is an almost untangeable position. Why taint saidin then?

But every thing we know about the DO's endgame shows that Rand, a Rand emotionally defeated, but still Rand, is critical to success. The DO (and through him Moridin) have worked to keep Rand alive, and
not because they care for him.
Demandred is just never going to accept that. Should he learn that LTT is critical for the Shadow's success, he's only going to become more jealous, and make it even tougher for the Shadow to succeed. After all, it isn't a simple matter of defeating the Light's armies and killing Rand. That's been established pretty well.

Only because Rand is so unique that Shai'tan almost can't resist the urge to turn him to the Shadow. It's almost worth the risk of not killing him.

It isn't Demandred's morality that is an issue. I don't know why you'd bring it up here.

Because it is the issue. Demandred's vices are treachery and hatred. They're as irrelevant as any other Forsaken's problems. All you need to do is steer a Forsaken in the right direction and tell them to unleash hell, not look for virtues like dedication or loyalty.
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Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? Sidious - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM 1392 Views
Not a chance... DomA - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 1015 Views
I agree orius - 06/07/2010 04:44:30 AM 787 Views
What about winning? Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM 872 Views
Remember what Verin said? Don't analyse the DO with human values.. fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 10:20:37 AM 766 Views
Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM 668 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:44:22 PM 644 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 666 Views
Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM 685 Views
Well I agree and disagree Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 659 Views
Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM 606 Views
Says who? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 688 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. Shannow - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 659 Views
There are many possibilities Sidious - 06/07/2010 10:17:10 PM 695 Views
Those are not all synonyms. Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 740 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 669 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Shannow - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 834 Views
Demandred? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 709 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... Shannow - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 728 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 592 Views
Agree with FT... fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 683 Views
I think metaphysics is more important Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 739 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point darius_sedai - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 653 Views
Disagree Kieran - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 645 Views
Re: Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Demortae - 06/07/2010 02:31:31 AM 731 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 678 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 736 Views
Will be interesting to see... Etzel - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 643 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 607 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... Etzel - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 602 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... Datakim - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 568 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 662 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 802 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 638 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1212 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 745 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 835 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 730 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis orius - 07/07/2010 06:30:33 AM 608 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 709 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 569 Views
It would be awesome Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 598 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 966 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 625 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 620 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 601 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 311 Views
Nah, we already got that twist....it was cool when Verin did it, but RJ wouldn't overuse the idea *NM* Demortae - 08/07/2010 01:15:46 AM 311 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 717 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 657 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 600 Views
Agree. Seriana Sedai - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 540 Views
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