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No, Etzel... Shannow Send a noteboard - 07/07/2010 01:03:20 PM
That Demandred will let Roedran attack Andor at basically the same time, when the Trollocs will attack the Borderlands, possibly supported by Taim's cronies & other DF. Bryne told in the books that Murandy could muster a significant army, and it fits with Demandred's statement that he is gathering for war and will be ready (Taim's cronies were already gathered!). This move will help to create more chaos and strife among humankind and prevents united Westlands (which Rand has to achieve).

Fain is probably just hunted by the Super Darkhound Pack (and likely Slayer) and will be killed soon (this scene will probably told by Slayer, who will then reveal that he killed the traitor Asmo as well). Fain's wildcard role is played, IMO. To give Fain yet another power base that late in the story doesn't make much sense.


Sanderson said that Demandred's identity is the biggest mystery in the series and that it would pay off in the end.

Demandred launching a mediocre army from a mediocre nation against the Light will hardly be impressive.

The nations infiltrated by all the other Forsaken generals - Be'lal, Sammael, Rah'vin and even Semirhage were all more powerful than Murandy. It does not make sense that the most accomplished and most arrogant Forsaken general of all would take Murandy as his base of power.

50 000 Murandians will mean very little compared to 20 million Trollocs, the combined Seanchan armies that Semirhage was trying to control or the Dark Ashaman under Taim.

I still believe that the Shadow will have need of a powerful, organised and channeling capable military force to truly threaten the Light in the Last Battle.

The Seanchan would have been the perfect tool in this regard, and their strictly authoritarian society even made for a plausible scenario under which they could have served the Shadow. I think RJ missed a beat by letting the Shadow lose the Seanchan.

In my view, Demandred HAS to bring something of similar strength to the table. Shara or an army of mad channelers from the Isle of the Madmen would still be my most optmistic answer.

But failing those two, the Black Tower will have to do.

Murandy? Inconsequential in the bigger scheme of things.
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If Demandred isn't Roedran (or controlling Roedran) Deadsy - 07/07/2010 10:08:19 AM 1733 Views
Others suggest... Etzel - 07/07/2010 10:31:33 AM 809 Views
Re: Others suggest... Deadsy - 07/07/2010 10:46:31 AM 667 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/07/2010 11:03:21 AM 712 Views
Re: Yeah... DomA - 07/07/2010 12:58:04 PM 814 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:30:11 PM 643 Views
Re: The thing is... Sidious - 07/07/2010 03:24:34 PM 561 Views
As said... Etzel - 07/07/2010 03:56:20 PM 609 Views
Re: The thing is... LoialT - 07/07/2010 04:27:11 PM 560 Views
I think Etzel - 08/07/2010 09:00:46 AM 684 Views
It all began.... DomA - 07/07/2010 11:49:39 AM 867 Views
The idea is... Etzel - 07/07/2010 12:39:19 PM 659 Views
Lol. So Slayer is the easy solution to every single mysterious death in the series? Dull as hell *NM* Lordling - 07/07/2010 12:57:12 PM 249 Views
Well, it's his job after all, thus a logical solution. *NM* Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:18:52 PM 262 Views
No, Etzel... Shannow - 07/07/2010 01:03:20 PM 700 Views
I disagree... Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:18:11 PM 620 Views
And besides... Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:49:04 PM 620 Views
Fain and Slayer RandAllThor - 07/07/2010 08:47:48 PM 600 Views
Fain playing a significant role in the LB would too much allude to LotR, IMO. *NM* Etzel - 07/07/2010 11:28:29 PM 588 Views
As would Moiraine returning. fionwe1987 - 08/07/2010 02:13:25 AM 659 Views
It depends on Fain's role... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:34:27 AM 512 Views
But what does "wildcard" really mean? RandAllThor - 08/07/2010 03:19:16 PM 538 Views
for a long time i thought shara and their tattooed channeles. nigelgoboom - 09/07/2010 05:24:16 PM 528 Views
I agree. I think this refers to The Great Battle done but the world not yet done with battle RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:07:05 PM 554 Views
Fain doesn't make sense from a timing stand point darius_sedai - 07/07/2010 04:46:00 PM 576 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:42:45 AM 540 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 09/07/2010 05:56:23 PM 488 Views
One reason the Murandy-New SL theory makes sense... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 07:19:56 PM 531 Views
That's most likely just coincidence. *NM* Etzel - 07/07/2010 11:30:00 PM 250 Views
Riiiight... because WoT is chock full of coincidences. fionwe1987 - 08/07/2010 02:12:47 AM 516 Views
In any case... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:31:19 AM 553 Views
Re: That's most likely just coincidence. scooter - 08/07/2010 02:13:36 AM 531 Views
They followed Fain all the way to Caemlyn and shot arrows at Rand Deadsy - 08/07/2010 04:21:14 AM 508 Views
Yeah, I agree, Roedran isn't under Fain's control. *NM* Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:38:15 AM 344 Views
Re: It all began.... echooff - 08/07/2010 12:11:02 PM 523 Views
Murandy just doesn't fit Demandred. Also, Sammael could have been wrong. Logain - 07/07/2010 07:57:19 PM 801 Views
Here's another possibility scooter - 08/07/2010 02:21:25 AM 607 Views
Another possibility for Demandred Narg - 08/07/2010 03:20:27 AM 517 Views
Sammael probably refered to the Dragonswron in the south of the Westlands... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:37:04 AM 466 Views
What if Demandred's base is... entyti - 08/07/2010 04:52:40 AM 552 Views
my problem with this Deadsy - 08/07/2010 04:59:35 AM 537 Views
Well, I tend to agree with you entyti - 09/07/2010 12:27:04 AM 489 Views
I actually think he only made the island to poke fun at Australia *NM* Deadsy - 09/07/2010 05:13:25 AM 260 Views
I doubt that you could that easily control the Madmen. *NM* Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:44:42 AM 231 Views
Unlikely... maybe even impossible Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:14:24 AM 530 Views
Definitely possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/07/2010 02:06:57 PM 530 Views
Now here's a man with... vision! entyti - 09/07/2010 12:24:13 AM 506 Views
not really darius_sedai - 10/07/2010 12:25:31 PM 503 Views
That's factually incorrect entyti - 12/07/2010 12:41:48 AM 563 Views
yes, factually incorrect by you Sidious - 12/07/2010 08:02:23 AM 587 Views
darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 04:40:45 PM 514 Views
I think Lanfears' estimation is incorrect. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 04:15:44 PM 518 Views
this is why i keep thinkin shara, with their tattoed pedigrees for channelers. *NM* nigelgoboom - 12/07/2010 02:17:53 AM 224 Views
Re: this is why i keep thinkin shara, with their tattoed pedigrees for channelers. scooter - 13/07/2010 04:20:19 AM 497 Views
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