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No, Etzel... Shannow Send a noteboard - 07/07/2010 01:03:20 PM
That Demandred will let Roedran attack Andor at basically the same time, when the Trollocs will attack the Borderlands, possibly supported by Taim's cronies & other DF. Bryne told in the books that Murandy could muster a significant army, and it fits with Demandred's statement that he is gathering for war and will be ready (Taim's cronies were already gathered!). This move will help to create more chaos and strife among humankind and prevents united Westlands (which Rand has to achieve).

Fain is probably just hunted by the Super Darkhound Pack (and likely Slayer) and will be killed soon (this scene will probably told by Slayer, who will then reveal that he killed the traitor Asmo as well). Fain's wildcard role is played, IMO. To give Fain yet another power base that late in the story doesn't make much sense.


Sanderson said that Demandred's identity is the biggest mystery in the series and that it would pay off in the end.

Demandred launching a mediocre army from a mediocre nation against the Light will hardly be impressive.

The nations infiltrated by all the other Forsaken generals - Be'lal, Sammael, Rah'vin and even Semirhage were all more powerful than Murandy. It does not make sense that the most accomplished and most arrogant Forsaken general of all would take Murandy as his base of power.

50 000 Murandians will mean very little compared to 20 million Trollocs, the combined Seanchan armies that Semirhage was trying to control or the Dark Ashaman under Taim.

I still believe that the Shadow will have need of a powerful, organised and channeling capable military force to truly threaten the Light in the Last Battle.

The Seanchan would have been the perfect tool in this regard, and their strictly authoritarian society even made for a plausible scenario under which they could have served the Shadow. I think RJ missed a beat by letting the Shadow lose the Seanchan.

In my view, Demandred HAS to bring something of similar strength to the table. Shara or an army of mad channelers from the Isle of the Madmen would still be my most optmistic answer.

But failing those two, the Black Tower will have to do.

Murandy? Inconsequential in the bigger scheme of things.
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If Demandred isn't Roedran (or controlling Roedran) Deadsy - 07/07/2010 10:08:19 AM 1705 Views
Others suggest... Etzel - 07/07/2010 10:31:33 AM 777 Views
Re: Others suggest... Deadsy - 07/07/2010 10:46:31 AM 636 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/07/2010 11:03:21 AM 684 Views
Re: Yeah... DomA - 07/07/2010 12:58:04 PM 786 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:30:11 PM 619 Views
Re: The thing is... Sidious - 07/07/2010 03:24:34 PM 532 Views
As said... Etzel - 07/07/2010 03:56:20 PM 576 Views
Re: The thing is... LoialT - 07/07/2010 04:27:11 PM 530 Views
I think Etzel - 08/07/2010 09:00:46 AM 653 Views
It all began.... DomA - 07/07/2010 11:49:39 AM 833 Views
The idea is... Etzel - 07/07/2010 12:39:19 PM 631 Views
Lol. So Slayer is the easy solution to every single mysterious death in the series? Dull as hell *NM* Lordling - 07/07/2010 12:57:12 PM 241 Views
Well, it's his job after all, thus a logical solution. *NM* Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:18:52 PM 252 Views
No, Etzel... Shannow - 07/07/2010 01:03:20 PM 673 Views
I disagree... Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:18:11 PM 592 Views
And besides... Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:49:04 PM 591 Views
Fain and Slayer RandAllThor - 07/07/2010 08:47:48 PM 571 Views
Fain playing a significant role in the LB would too much allude to LotR, IMO. *NM* Etzel - 07/07/2010 11:28:29 PM 563 Views
As would Moiraine returning. fionwe1987 - 08/07/2010 02:13:25 AM 630 Views
It depends on Fain's role... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:34:27 AM 482 Views
But what does "wildcard" really mean? RandAllThor - 08/07/2010 03:19:16 PM 504 Views
for a long time i thought shara and their tattooed channeles. nigelgoboom - 09/07/2010 05:24:16 PM 500 Views
I agree. I think this refers to The Great Battle done but the world not yet done with battle RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:07:05 PM 519 Views
Fain doesn't make sense from a timing stand point darius_sedai - 07/07/2010 04:46:00 PM 551 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:42:45 AM 506 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 09/07/2010 05:56:23 PM 466 Views
One reason the Murandy-New SL theory makes sense... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 07:19:56 PM 503 Views
That's most likely just coincidence. *NM* Etzel - 07/07/2010 11:30:00 PM 239 Views
Riiiight... because WoT is chock full of coincidences. fionwe1987 - 08/07/2010 02:12:47 AM 488 Views
In any case... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:31:19 AM 529 Views
Re: That's most likely just coincidence. scooter - 08/07/2010 02:13:36 AM 505 Views
They followed Fain all the way to Caemlyn and shot arrows at Rand Deadsy - 08/07/2010 04:21:14 AM 483 Views
Yeah, I agree, Roedran isn't under Fain's control. *NM* Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:38:15 AM 333 Views
Re: It all began.... echooff - 08/07/2010 12:11:02 PM 486 Views
Murandy just doesn't fit Demandred. Also, Sammael could have been wrong. Logain - 07/07/2010 07:57:19 PM 757 Views
Here's another possibility scooter - 08/07/2010 02:21:25 AM 577 Views
Another possibility for Demandred Narg - 08/07/2010 03:20:27 AM 494 Views
Sammael probably refered to the Dragonswron in the south of the Westlands... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:37:04 AM 447 Views
What if Demandred's base is... entyti - 08/07/2010 04:52:40 AM 524 Views
my problem with this Deadsy - 08/07/2010 04:59:35 AM 511 Views
Well, I tend to agree with you entyti - 09/07/2010 12:27:04 AM 458 Views
I actually think he only made the island to poke fun at Australia *NM* Deadsy - 09/07/2010 05:13:25 AM 251 Views
I doubt that you could that easily control the Madmen. *NM* Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:44:42 AM 222 Views
Unlikely... maybe even impossible Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:14:24 AM 500 Views
Definitely possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/07/2010 02:06:57 PM 497 Views
Now here's a man with... vision! entyti - 09/07/2010 12:24:13 AM 477 Views
not really darius_sedai - 10/07/2010 12:25:31 PM 476 Views
That's factually incorrect entyti - 12/07/2010 12:41:48 AM 537 Views
yes, factually incorrect by you Sidious - 12/07/2010 08:02:23 AM 556 Views
darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 04:40:45 PM 486 Views
I think Lanfears' estimation is incorrect. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 04:15:44 PM 492 Views
this is why i keep thinkin shara, with their tattoed pedigrees for channelers. *NM* nigelgoboom - 12/07/2010 02:17:53 AM 215 Views
Re: this is why i keep thinkin shara, with their tattoed pedigrees for channelers. scooter - 13/07/2010 04:20:19 AM 466 Views
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