We know of her trick with stones and light from 'New Spring' IIRC
RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 25/08/2010 02:40:26 PM
The eavesdropping trick was revealed later. I think you are underestimating the mindsets of the Aes Sedai by over-generalizing across the entire population. Further still you are minimizing the aspects of Moiraine's channeling that step outside the box of what the other Aes Sedai can do - like it or not, using a staff, wand or other object as a foci to channel in a certain way is creative, even if you personally see it as a handicap. These aren't even treated as limitations the way learning to weave something one way could be seen as - she can still throw fireballs the Aes Sedai way, but she has other ways, as well. We don't see other Sisters use her trick with the coins (the one used to track the boys in TGH), for example, and for all intents and purposes, this might be another weave she created on her own. There is no reason to believe that the personal tricks Aes Sedai keep to themselves are limited to one or two Wilder skills, and I'm inclined to believe that the range of 'secret' weaves a Sister might have could have occurred through many ways - perhaps a Novice did something unexpected there and combined with what the Aes Sedai has seen elsewhere, she figured out how to create a particular effect (this is exactly what Verin and Liandrin say in separate POVs later one). Even if the secret is a difference in technique and variation, it still implies creativity.
Finally, if she didn't learn it from another Aes Sedai, it's a difficult weave that only a wilder of Nynaeve's strength figured out in a moment of wild (plot-driven) channeling, and a weave can't be written down given the complex nature of matrixes (and if they could be written down or portrayed, there are multiple other weave, that would be more useful to preserve to the Aes Sedai than one of the weaves that they forbade themselves to use since the War of Power) then how else could she have learned it? I would say the simplest answer is "The same way Verin or Liandrin learned Compulsion and the way Egwene figured out Skimming...she figured it out on her own through experimentation and guess work."
Finally, if she didn't learn it from another Aes Sedai, it's a difficult weave that only a wilder of Nynaeve's strength figured out in a moment of wild (plot-driven) channeling, and a weave can't be written down given the complex nature of matrixes (and if they could be written down or portrayed, there are multiple other weave, that would be more useful to preserve to the Aes Sedai than one of the weaves that they forbade themselves to use since the War of Power) then how else could she have learned it? I would say the simplest answer is "The same way Verin or Liandrin learned Compulsion and the way Egwene figured out Skimming...she figured it out on her own through experimentation and guess work."
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This message last edited by RugbyPlayingAshaman on 25/08/2010 at 03:19:04 PM
How were all these amazing weaves 'lost' ?
- 20/08/2010 04:33:43 AM
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You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering these weaves
- 20/08/2010 10:08:10 AM
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Re: You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering
- 20/08/2010 03:40:16 PM
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These are good points. To some extent, it may be because our main characters are "gifted" channelers
- 20/08/2010 08:57:49 PM
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The bigger problem is minor characters copying the weaves so quickly...
- 20/08/2010 09:14:25 PM
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Lost Weaves
- 20/08/2010 01:43:25 PM
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Not logical
- 20/08/2010 01:50:32 PM
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Re: Not logical
- 20/08/2010 03:22:04 PM
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All I'm saying, is that Travelling would STILL be a very usefull survival tool during the Breaking..
- 20/08/2010 03:44:59 PM
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If you go back and read the descriptions of the breaking, and think about the 3000 year cycle
- 20/08/2010 04:37:02 PM
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I don't think that creating cuendillar and 'angreals was common knowledge.
- 20/08/2010 05:06:20 PM
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You & Ryan make good points, esp on balefire/compulsion. In a shorter series, it'd make more sense
- 20/08/2010 08:52:59 PM
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Maybe Aes Sedai treated weaves like Intellectual Property
- 20/08/2010 09:49:12 PM
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Trademark? Patent? Or Copyright? =P *NM*
- 20/08/2010 10:19:36 PM
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If they are secretive and protective, it's not a huge stretch that knowledge would be taken into the
- 21/08/2010 10:27:15 AM
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Idea?
- 21/08/2010 12:47:52 AM
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But they weren't too weak
- 21/08/2010 02:48:43 AM
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That's because most of the major people in WoT are powerful channelers.
- 21/08/2010 04:13:04 AM
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How can you "write a weave down"?
- 21/08/2010 04:54:28 PM
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How did Moiraine learn balefire then? *NM*
- 21/08/2010 05:04:27 PM
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figured it out on her own, don't forget that Nyn used it too against the Fades in TDR. *NM*
- 21/08/2010 05:12:15 PM
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That's a stretch - Moiraine never demonstrated any creative talent with the OP...
- 21/08/2010 06:15:01 PM
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OK, I'll buy Vandene teaching it, but not learning it from a written description *NM*
- 21/08/2010 06:35:46 PM
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I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
- 24/08/2010 03:31:06 PM
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Re: I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
- 24/08/2010 05:32:11 PM
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We know of her trick with stones and light from 'New Spring' IIRC
- 25/08/2010 02:40:26 PM
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Passing on useful survival skills trumped esoteric lore during the War of Power and the Breaking
- 25/08/2010 03:18:47 PM
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