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i agree. and this is part of the reason why i don't understand why people have a hard time w/ egwene mazza3 Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 03:56:48 PM

Wow, a ruler who's trying to expand her influence and territories? Truly groundbreaking.

Why should Egwene sit in the White Tower like a lame duck? Cairhien has been a place of squabbling nobles since the beginning of the series, and probably since the Aiel War. If the White Tower can gain the city, then why shouldn't they? It's obvious that Egwene wants to use diplomatic and subtle means to get the city (despite warmongering theories that have zero evidence to back them up).

This isn't even a new idea, though obviously because Egwene is involved from some distance its caused hysteria. Almost as soon as Moiraine was raised to the shawl they were pimping her to take over Cairhien using her blood line, and they definitely did the same with Elayne, and openly said so. Siuan, Elaida and Morgase wanted Elayne to be the first open Aes Sedai on the throne of Andor, and obviously Elayne answers to the Amyrlin above all people. So Andor is pretty much the White Tower's. Considering Cairhien is a city waiting to be taken, how negligent would Egwene be not to look in its direction?


i am not the world's biggest egwene fan, but i very much understand her role in the story. arthur hawkwing was a real shit, but he crafted a huge empire and turned randland into a v safe place. and he was revered, despite being a prick. people in positions of power tend to be royal a-holes (in our world), but we accept that because deep down we understand that they have to be. and they have to be concerned about maintaining their own power since if they don't maintain it, who will maintain it for them? of course they are strong-willed and arrogant, you don't achieve power and success without drive, and you don't have drive unless you think you can do it. and you need at least some measure of pride, arrogance or over-weening ego to motivate you. egwene may have been thrust into a position of power, but she had all of the tools needed to be in control. whether or not you think she is a good leader is irrelevant. at this point, randland needs a strong leader and she definitely is that. and derr, she grew up with rand, so guess what, the pattern wanted her where she is.

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"She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..." - 05/11/2010 03:22:29 AM 2506 Views
Do you have a reference that we can look at? - 05/11/2010 03:24:39 AM 1028 Views
Chapter 45 - A Reunion, Page 669 - 05/11/2010 03:59:25 AM 1204 Views
Ok, now I've checked it. - 05/11/2010 04:07:20 AM 1076 Views
Re: "She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..." - 05/11/2010 03:49:16 AM 1248 Views
Re: "She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..." - 05/11/2010 01:42:54 PM 992 Views
except... - 05/11/2010 03:49:45 AM 1112 Views
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We all know Egwene is going to save the day while getting everything she wants and more - 05/11/2010 04:14:55 AM 1171 Views
Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 04:25:43 AM 981 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 01:53:17 PM 1012 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 02:00:37 PM 1075 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 02:04:47 PM 978 Views
she's the youngest child - 07/11/2010 07:51:20 PM 885 Views
why? - 05/11/2010 03:10:39 PM 1088 Views
Re: why? - 05/11/2010 04:23:16 PM 1049 Views
That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all.... - 05/11/2010 05:00:59 PM 1124 Views
Re: That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all.... - 05/11/2010 11:10:46 PM 988 Views
Hail Amrlyin Palpategwene - 06/11/2010 02:05:09 AM 1060 Views
They're the ones who raised her this way! That's the last thing she needs. - 06/11/2010 03:38:17 PM 1072 Views
Um, can we assume her parents raised her that way? - 08/11/2010 04:57:05 AM 909 Views
She's a short, female, youngest child of influential parents. Arrogance would come naturally to her. - 09/11/2010 02:08:29 AM 1008 Views
Huh - 09/11/2010 07:56:15 AM 1029 Views
Wow. What the fuck did your parents do to you? *NM* - 09/11/2010 03:35:07 PM 498 Views
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I try to avoid projecting myself onto fictional characters. Or real people. - 09/11/2010 06:45:14 PM 915 Views
too bad - 09/11/2010 08:20:04 PM 895 Views
Why don't you compare her to a summer's day while you're at it? *NM* - 09/11/2010 07:45:20 PM 421 Views
well... - 09/11/2010 08:18:08 PM 829 Views
I'm teasing you because you lay it on a little thick sometimes *NM* - 10/11/2010 01:10:39 AM 559 Views
You are seriously mis-perceiving a number of things. - 10/11/2010 01:30:47 AM 1084 Views
So? - 05/11/2010 09:53:22 AM 951 Views
i agree. and this is part of the reason why i don't understand why people have a hard time w/ egwene - 05/11/2010 03:56:48 PM 1015 Views
Re: So? - 05/11/2010 07:59:12 PM 987 Views
Re: So? - 06/11/2010 09:06:49 AM 878 Views
She didn't say that. You changed the wording and read it without context. - 05/11/2010 03:29:27 PM 1094 Views
So? - 05/11/2010 04:04:54 PM 935 Views
The engima that is Egwene - 06/11/2010 01:41:43 AM 1058 Views
I wonder if... - 06/11/2010 05:17:45 AM 944 Views
You might have paid more attention than me when reading - 06/11/2010 06:50:46 AM 931 Views
The reason rand didn't tell Egwene about why he needs to break the seals is simple - 22/06/2011 10:49:25 PM 998 Views
That's the problem with Elayne that has emerged. - 06/11/2010 03:31:41 PM 1120 Views
Or, you know, she's being cleverer than you give her credit for... - 06/11/2010 04:45:10 PM 986 Views
This is the problem with rulers - what is smart for them equals increasing their power. Which is bad - 06/11/2010 08:40:19 PM 936 Views
So fragmentation is the reply? - 06/11/2010 09:59:47 PM 929 Views
Checks and balances IS diluting power. - 09/11/2010 02:16:18 AM 944 Views
The Andoran houses should ask one question of Elayne - and remove her if she answers wrongly - 08/11/2010 02:03:08 AM 1003 Views
Hear, hear. - 09/11/2010 02:18:49 AM 982 Views
Maybe it's typo - 08/11/2010 06:38:26 PM 1160 Views
Yes, I'm pretty certain it is. - 09/11/2010 09:00:32 AM 887 Views
Agreed - 09/11/2010 07:05:09 PM 844 Views
i thought it was a typo too *NM* - 10/11/2010 09:11:10 AM 604 Views

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