You forgot to mention to Tom your explanation that Olver is too old to be Gaidal, and that Birgitte was wrong about Gaidal possibly being a boy is confirmed by RJ, and that he also said "Gaidal will have to sit out the LB, because he's too young and has been spun out for another, later purpose".
And he also said he did meant Olver to be a red herring (more accurately, I think Jordan rather made this character ugly to add a bit more concrete sadness to Birgitte's situation, the reader wasn't supposed to be deceived by this, only Birgitte.. those who can count anyway), but that he was in the series for more than that.
And he also said he did meant Olver to be a red herring (more accurately, I think Jordan rather made this character ugly to add a bit more concrete sadness to Birgitte's situation, the reader wasn't supposed to be deceived by this, only Birgitte.. those who can count anyway), but that he was in the series for more than that.
Yes, well it was my understanding of Tom's argument that he believed RJ had deliberately set us up to believe that Olver = Gaidal Cain then attempted to backtrack with that declaration, so I focused mostly on showing that the hypothesis didn't make sense in the first place.
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So...what was this "heartbreaking scene" with Olver in ToM?
- 01/12/2010 04:12:34 AM
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His POV almost angered me
- 01/12/2010 04:48:14 AM
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olver is upset you feel that way. olver just wants to be able to kill the shaido that took his dad
- 01/12/2010 07:33:43 AM
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Just then Shaidar Haran came and cut off Olvers head. 
- 01/12/2010 11:53:59 AM
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- 01/12/2010 11:53:59 AM
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There's really absolutely no point to his character if he isn't Gaidal Cain.
- 01/12/2010 02:16:26 PM
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He's EveryCairhienin; prob'ly RJ didn't call him that 'cos it hurts the eye and mouth too much. 
- 01/12/2010 02:50:30 PM
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- 01/12/2010 02:50:30 PM
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That reply made me wish we had a vomiting smiley. Melodramatic much? *NM*
- 02/12/2010 12:49:03 AM
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can do double duty, but they call it "Epic Fantasy" for a reason. 
- 02/12/2010 01:04:42 AM
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can do double duty, but they call it "Epic Fantasy" for a reason.
- 02/12/2010 01:04:42 AM
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That theory never even made sense.
- 01/12/2010 07:45:49 PM
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What are you talking about?
- 02/12/2010 12:50:00 AM
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He's too old
- 02/12/2010 01:47:03 AM
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No he isn't.
- 02/12/2010 04:57:46 AM
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Yes, yes he is.
- 02/12/2010 06:27:25 AM
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Re: Yes, yes he is.
- 03/12/2010 01:59:00 PM
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Re: Yes, yes he is.
- 03/12/2010 09:39:27 PM
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I can deal with the "spoiled" part (more or less) but it sure doesn't make him sympathetic. *NM*
- 01/12/2010 02:15:04 PM
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I believe someone posted before, and I do forget who, but I shall paraphrase.
- 01/12/2010 05:44:58 AM
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Hehe
- 01/12/2010 01:57:16 PM
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I really don't remember that
- 01/12/2010 02:17:52 PM
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Re: I really don't remember that
- 01/12/2010 02:19:58 PM
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Hah, I remember that. He was all "Everyone killed themselves! It's SAD!"
- 01/12/2010 03:08:24 PM
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And here it registered so little with me I don't even remember it happening.
- 02/12/2010 12:54:40 AM
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The "GASP Moment" that produced so much speculation leading up to KoD
- 01/12/2010 03:13:56 PM
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I think it was supposed to be heartbreaking that a child was spending his days
- 01/12/2010 05:42:40 PM
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no...no I don't forget. I have a good emotional memory and it wasn't THAT long ago...
- 01/12/2010 08:16:17 PM
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I generally liked ToM, but the Olver PoV did make me cringe a bit. *NM*
- 02/12/2010 02:12:54 PM
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