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Re: Re: BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM

They followed her because she was made into a Wise One (and also claimed to be the Car'a'carn's wife). But her 'raising' did not follow any accepted protocol used by all of the other clans. She didn't go through Rhuidean. The fact of the matter is, the leadership of the Shaido are corrupt and so they have corrupted the ordinary people as well. This can happen to any nation, not just Aiel.


You're other post made it sound like the rest of the clan bore no responsibility for their actions, I call bullshit on that. She wasn't a Wise One, She never went to Rhuidean, yet the entire clan followed her nonetheless. The corruption may have started at the top, but they allowed it to expand, the entire clan is just as responsible for their actions as Sevanna is.

That's not what it implied at all. I stated that leadership sets an example for its followers, not that followers are blind.
However, the Shaido became very radicalized... they likely would have suppressed anyone who disagreed with their new-age ji'e'toh. Maybe the ordinary people could have done something about it if they rebelled or something, but that's just not how the Aiel do things.

And, just because the rest of the Aiel could interpret ji'e'toh that way (something for which they've shown no desire or motivation) doesn't change the fact that they don't.


Maybe, Maybe not. The precedent has been set though.

A precedent that all of the other clans reject adamantly.

I'm not even sure what your point is. You've tried to equate the making of gai'shain with the taking of damane and slavery. There is clearly no comparison.


It is a comparison because the Shaido Aiel took prisoners against their will and made them into slaves. Just pointing out one blatant example out of many in the wonderful place called Randland.


I'm with you man... as much as I want the Seanchan to pwn most of Randland, I don't quite get the Aiel hate, aside from the Shaido of course :P
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