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Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM
the leadership of the Shaido are corrupt and so they have corrupted the ordinary people as well. This can happen to any nation, not just Aiel.
In seven months, from the time Couladin died to the Battle of Malden, the Shaido Aiel transformed from essentially just like the rest of the clans to a lazy, drunken gang of bandits, sitting on their asses, raping their prisoners, and enjoying the good life. This happened despite there being no great upheaval in the leadership ranks (sept chiefs, Wise Ones, societies still perfectly extant) other than Sevanna prolonging her perfectly legitimate rights indefinitely.

I don't buy it. This is not Heart of Darkness. Either the Aiel actually had this kind of behavior going on commonly, outside of Rand and Egwene's view, or their culture really is highly inflexible and breaks in all kind of interesting ways when tested.

We've seen people come to power and make big changes quickly in real life, from a variety of cultures. It's not necessarily the culture itself that's at fault.
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Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1036 Views
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And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 927 Views
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If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 918 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 853 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 504 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 947 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 804 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1026 Views
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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 969 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 957 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 946 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 974 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1080 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 916 Views
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Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 973 Views
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They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 474 Views
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So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 938 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1090 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 441 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 933 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 834 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 916 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1130 Views
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Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1219 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1554 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 819 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1101 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 957 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 769 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 387 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 862 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 860 Views
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