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Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM
the leadership of the Shaido are corrupt and so they have corrupted the ordinary people as well. This can happen to any nation, not just Aiel.
In seven months, from the time Couladin died to the Battle of Malden, the Shaido Aiel transformed from essentially just like the rest of the clans to a lazy, drunken gang of bandits, sitting on their asses, raping their prisoners, and enjoying the good life. This happened despite there being no great upheaval in the leadership ranks (sept chiefs, Wise Ones, societies still perfectly extant) other than Sevanna prolonging her perfectly legitimate rights indefinitely.

I don't buy it. This is not Heart of Darkness. Either the Aiel actually had this kind of behavior going on commonly, outside of Rand and Egwene's view, or their culture really is highly inflexible and breaks in all kind of interesting ways when tested.

We've seen people come to power and make big changes quickly in real life, from a variety of cultures. It's not necessarily the culture itself that's at fault.
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* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 517 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 1093 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1330 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1061 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 1011 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 982 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 948 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 973 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 969 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 991 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 535 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 497 Views
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Re: Crap alert! Variant - 10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM 1083 Views
Re: Crap alert! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM 1082 Views
If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 940 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 874 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 1079 Views
I'd wish it on myself moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:40:34 PM 956 Views
I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1260 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 517 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 973 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 825 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1054 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1005 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 995 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 985 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 979 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 999 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1112 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 940 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 944 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1002 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 474 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 489 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 913 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 960 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1119 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 455 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 963 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 856 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 938 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1161 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 948 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1246 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1578 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 847 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1131 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 986 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 792 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 400 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 884 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 879 Views
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I think it's a case of what might, not must, be. Joel - 11/12/2010 03:41:36 AM 961 Views
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