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Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM
the leadership of the Shaido are corrupt and so they have corrupted the ordinary people as well. This can happen to any nation, not just Aiel.
In seven months, from the time Couladin died to the Battle of Malden, the Shaido Aiel transformed from essentially just like the rest of the clans to a lazy, drunken gang of bandits, sitting on their asses, raping their prisoners, and enjoying the good life. This happened despite there being no great upheaval in the leadership ranks (sept chiefs, Wise Ones, societies still perfectly extant) other than Sevanna prolonging her perfectly legitimate rights indefinitely.

I don't buy it. This is not Heart of Darkness. Either the Aiel actually had this kind of behavior going on commonly, outside of Rand and Egwene's view, or their culture really is highly inflexible and breaks in all kind of interesting ways when tested.

We've seen people come to power and make big changes quickly in real life, from a variety of cultures. It's not necessarily the culture itself that's at fault.
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Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1472 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1224 Views
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And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 1092 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 1128 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 1105 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 1171 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 594 Views
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If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 1091 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 1008 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 1220 Views
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I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1415 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 583 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 1111 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 968 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1171 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1120 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 1131 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 1103 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 1120 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 1144 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1257 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 1074 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 1086 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1131 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 545 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 554 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 1057 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 1088 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1251 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 530 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 1096 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 977 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 1089 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1308 Views
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Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1385 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1748 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 979 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1254 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 1135 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 936 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 469 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 1007 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 1012 Views
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