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The significance of 23 stars (TOM Spoilers) Iain83 Send a noteboard - 14/12/2010 11:48:55 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed - but I've read several posts discussing the meaning of Egwene's dream of a crystal sphere falling apart, but haven't come across any firm suggestions of the meaning of the 23 stars.

For reference, here's the dream:

[i]She saw an enormous sphere made of the finest crystal. It sparkled in the light of twenty three enormous stars, shining down on it where it sat on a dark hilltop. There were cracks in it, and it was being held together by ropes.

There was Rand, walking up the hillside, holding a woodsman's axe. He reached the top and hefted the axe, then swung at the ropes one at a time, chopping them free. The last one parted, and the sphere began to break apart, the beautiful globe falling in pieces. Rand shook his head.[/i]

The two main theories seem to be that (as Egwene thinks) the sphere represents the Dark One's prison or that (as some here have suggested) that it represents the White Tower. I suggest the number 23 is key to resolving this.

The only thing I can think of that 23 represents is the leadership in the Tower: 21 Sitters, the Keeper and the Amyrlin. They are the bright stars that shine upon (guide) the sphere (the Tower). I can't think of any other significance that the number 23 has in the series - certainly none to do with the seals/the Shadow/the Forsaken/etc.

Interpreting the 23 stars in this way clearly leads to an interpretation of the sphere as the Tower, with Rand then leading to a collapse of its power and authority - something he would do with sadness (the shaking of his head) but would do if it were necessary. (The ropes are potentially the ties that bind the nations to the Tower). There is potentially an event coming soon at which he will do just that - the confrontation at the Field of Merrilor, where he and Egwene will confront each other over what must be done next, vying for the support of the world's leaders.

It is particularly ironic that Egwene has interpreted the dream in the opposite way, thus indirectly setting into motion the very events that will bring about the outcome it predicts.

Thoughts?

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The significance of 23 stars (TOM Spoilers) - 14/12/2010 11:48:55 PM 3637 Views
It would be a first... - 15/12/2010 02:46:33 AM 1510 Views
Re: It would be a first... - 15/12/2010 04:39:17 AM 1132 Views
I think people aren't giving Egwene enough credit. - 15/12/2010 04:59:09 AM 1185 Views
She's not bringing everyone for a discussion, but for leverage to force him to change his mind. - 19/12/2010 09:54:49 PM 1104 Views
- 20/12/2010 01:50:39 AM 1107 Views
Re: - 20/12/2010 04:37:24 AM 938 Views
Huh? - 20/12/2010 05:09:39 AM 1045 Views
I find the theory - 20/12/2010 09:18:34 AM 947 Views
That's a new one to me - 20/12/2010 09:45:09 AM 1033 Views
Your theory is very unlikely - 20/12/2010 09:50:26 AM 1035 Views
If it was a plant, why would it be so oblique? - 29/12/2010 07:22:58 AM 911 Views
Re: - 20/12/2010 08:09:53 PM 1134 Views
That's not true. - 21/12/2010 02:22:50 AM 1181 Views
Sadly, the thing you reference four times isn't actually anywhere in the book. - 29/12/2010 03:17:15 AM 1163 Views
+1 - 29/12/2010 07:10:41 AM 1072 Views
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think I love you. (edited) - 29/12/2010 06:43:32 PM 1326 Views
Ah, if only I could sell the concept of sister-wives.... - 29/12/2010 07:09:56 PM 988 Views
Re: It would be a first... - 15/12/2010 12:43:49 PM 1546 Views
Dear lord, you wrote the Egwene haters' ultimate fantasy right there - 19/12/2010 01:41:55 AM 1061 Views
Don't think of use as Egwene haters... - 19/12/2010 04:32:11 AM 1006 Views
One problematic issue...This assumes the Dark One cannot hold himself back once the Seals are broken - 15/12/2010 07:57:53 AM 1197 Views
Err, it's the other way around - 15/12/2010 09:00:38 AM 1123 Views
I see. It's the same thing, really, just looking at it from the opposite perspective... - 15/12/2010 09:14:22 AM 1189 Views
Don't you know it's all about the posturing - 15/12/2010 09:40:15 AM 1135 Views
It's more that you take it out of context - 15/12/2010 11:32:36 AM 1174 Views
So then... - 15/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 1144 Views
Re: So then... - 16/12/2010 03:39:19 AM 1076 Views
Re: So then... - 16/12/2010 08:11:37 AM 1040 Views
Mierin - 16/12/2010 08:13:55 AM 1225 Views
It would be a good strategy for a conventional war, but - 16/12/2010 07:32:30 AM 1085 Views
Nature of the DO - 15/12/2010 10:38:24 PM 978 Views
While I agree overall, I think this is a case where Rand/TDR mistakes his role - 15/12/2010 05:37:25 PM 933 Views
I don't see why Egwene would oppose his plan - 15/12/2010 06:17:47 PM 970 Views
I don't think that's the issue. - 15/12/2010 07:31:03 PM 1029 Views
I think Egwene is successful and Rand has to go to the Seanchan for female channeler assistance - 18/12/2010 12:47:54 AM 1097 Views
Egwene's dream seems a little more personal than that - 18/12/2010 04:55:37 AM 938 Views
Yes - 18/12/2010 07:57:35 AM 961 Views
Actually, I think Tuon will capture her, and then release her. *NM* - 18/12/2010 02:47:42 PM 529 Views
Re: It would be a first... - 18/12/2010 02:48:40 PM 976 Views
Re: It would be a first... - 18/12/2010 03:28:57 PM 960 Views
Those are vewings and prophesies... - 18/12/2010 03:43:55 PM 859 Views
I wish - 16/12/2010 08:29:23 PM 1000 Views
That's just it: Egwene is not only wrong, she's narratively wrong. - 19/12/2010 11:30:35 PM 1421 Views
Man, that's the best take on Egwene I have ever read. - 20/12/2010 12:38:07 AM 986 Views
+1 - 20/12/2010 01:07:24 AM 1073 Views
You may be onto something there. - 20/12/2010 01:35:46 AM 1016 Views
Thanks. - 20/12/2010 01:24:42 AM 982 Views
Re: That's just it: Egwene is not only wrong, she's narratively wrong. - 20/12/2010 04:39:57 PM 1092 Views
Wish I'd read this sooner, 'cos I agree on several points. - 29/12/2010 03:38:59 AM 1034 Views
Re: Wish I'd read this sooner, 'cos I agree on several points. - 29/12/2010 07:32:49 AM 994 Views
It seems an odd oversight, yes; I can't even recall her being Delved when the truth was revealed. - 29/12/2010 12:40:00 PM 1032 Views
Ensure this value has at most 100 characters (it has 101). - 29/12/2010 03:00:22 PM 2746 Views
Ah, good point; Rand might have to do the job himself. - 29/12/2010 06:43:44 PM 991 Views
More likely to be Flinn. - 29/12/2010 08:18:19 PM 1026 Views
Maybe, once he knows the signs and techniques. - 30/12/2010 03:10:27 PM 1012 Views
Not sure if Rand had seized the source yet - he wouldn't have wanted to do it in front of Ramshalan - 30/12/2010 03:15:43 PM 956 Views
Good point, too. - 30/12/2010 03:17:06 PM 947 Views
He was holding the gateway open. *NM* - 30/12/2010 04:27:25 PM 499 Views
Thanks, had forgotten that. - 31/12/2010 04:43:25 AM 947 Views

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