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fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 01:50:39 AM

She's the Decider; the Dragon will face the Amyrlin and know her wrath.

And she said this? Since a previous chapter has already been titled the Amyrlin's Anger, what makes you think there's going to be wrath on either side at Merrilor?

After all, she's defeated ONE WHOLE FORSAKEN with only minimal aid from the rest of the Tower and Wise Ones; what could Lews Therin Telamon Reborn POSSIBLY tell her about the DO, the Seals or battling the Shadow?

A ton. Which is why she asked him to discuss things with her. Its hardly her fault that he refused and just walked away, is it?

Fel figured it out long before Rand, and Min knew before him, too, so it's not some super secret genius insight.

Oh... three people figured it out individually. It must be right! Incidentally, "ad" Lews Therin, in Rand's head, also asked Rand to break the Seals, shocking him to the core. When he spoke of this to Fel, Fel said he saw no reason for the Seals to be broken. Then, he died, and a note conveniently left for Rand asked him to "clear away the rubble". Rand and Min both get the idea for breaking the Seals from a note of doubtful provenance!

When Perrin has the temerity to suggest Rand just MIGHT know wtf he's doing without her guidance she practically goes into a sullen pout (now THAT'S mature leadership!)

Huh? When did Perrin and Egwene discuss this? Are you sure you didn't imagine this in your Rand fanboy rage against Egwene?

It's counter-intuitive and requires much thought but, once again, that's just one more argument that the Reborn man who CREATED the Seals knows more about them than the teenage Amyrlin.

A teenage Amyrlin who just happened to dream that Rand doing this will cause a disaster, just one hour before she heard of this plan from Rand...

I could see your point if Egwene had shown any indication she actually wants to discuss or negotiate anything with Rand instead of several times explicitly stating that she means to talk him out of it and is bringing the world leaders together toward that end (does that SOUND like someone reasonable, or someone who wants to hold him at the point of every lance on the planet until he sees what she considers reason?)

She makes it clear that she wants to discuss things with him, and if that fails, she wants to use the gathered leaders to dissuade him. That sounds like someone with a contingency plan. But you're right, she doesn't feel she can be convinced to the contrary. And she has good reason to feel secure in that. She got a Dream that warned her against this course of action. That's the Pattern itself telling her that Lews Therin is wrong...

Meh. I could even deal with her talking down to Mesaana like a vice principal paddling a naughty school girl, despite the fact it basically boiled down to her borrowing all the Towers gravitas to make up for the fact she's a half trained teenager facing a living legend.

But she openly states that that is exactly what she's doing. It isn't as if she believes she is personally a legend equal to Mesaana!

However and once again, LTT was going GRAY when he forged the Seals, despite never having held the Oath Rod and being the most powerful channeler who's ever been. He was the most accomplished channeler in the age of the most accomplished channelers, and the day he created the Seals he'd probably already lived twice as long as Egwene will have the day she dies, assuming her arrogance doesn't cause a premature death. She's not even 20 NOW, so a long way from even being that nearly his equal, but, on top of all that, he did, in fact, CREATE the Seals. The simple truth is he's literally forgotten more about the Seals than she'll ever know, but she still seems to think all her Tower training and huddling with old biddies, not to mention her leet Egweneness skillz make her more knowledgeable about the Seals, the Bore, the DO, Tarmon Gaidon and, well, everything, than LTT Reborn. Probably all those people who've been prophecying about his pivotal roles in the Last Battle for three millennium just got confused by his proximity to the REAL Chosen One. :rolleyes:

Dude, did you or did you not read of her Dream? It is confusing that you completely ignore the only reason she is so strongly opposed to Rand's plan and come up with all sorts of insane reasons for why she's opposing him. If these were her reasons, would she have let him walk away from the Tower?

Rand is gonna steamroll over her at Mach 3 with Jordan driving while I laugh. My only regret is that I so staunchly defended her until this book.

8} Or, you know, Egwene will mention her Dream, Rand will talk of Fel's note, Egwene or someone else will get suspicious, and Rand's plan will come crashing down...
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