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Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow Send a noteboard - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM

no reason to assume it requires active Channeling or to assume that it doesn't go cool when someone is Channeling nearby. Mat can feel it when women are channeling nearby even when weaves aren't directed at him.

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A Cold Medalion

Joline’s Warders, Blaeric and Fen were nowhere to be seen, so there was no need to talk his way past them to get inside, but as he approached the dirt-streaked steps at the back of the wagon, the foxhead medallion hanging beneath his shirt went icy cold against his chest, then colder still. For a moment, he froze like a statue. Those fool women were channeling in there! Coming to himself, he pounded up the steps and banged the door open.

What's your point? I only quoted that Alanna scene from tPoD to show that Cadsuane has some ornament that goes cold just like Mat's medallion, and it is reasonable to assume this is the one that breaks weaves.

Now, since Elayne has worked extensively with Mat's medallion and found no way to use it to disrupt weaves at a distance, it is a reasonable conclusion that the same is true for the golden crescents Cadsuane wears.


There is no reason why Cadsuane's ter'angreal can't both go cold when someone channels AND affect weaves at a distance of 20 feet or so.

The two abilities aren't mutually exclusive. Most likely, Mat's medallion was originally created for a non channeling warrior who simply needed protection from direct One Power attacks, while Cadsuane's was an upgraded model, which had all of Mat's medallion's functions, but can ALSO extend it's effect over a limited distance when directed by a channeler.
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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 4035 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1932 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1690 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 1042 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1500 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1513 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1454 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 669 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1431 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 1210 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 1334 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1470 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1576 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1422 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1384 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1714 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1529 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1408 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 1292 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 1365 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 1247 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1374 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 1289 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 1280 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1450 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 1239 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1342 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 1307 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 1316 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1327 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1516 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1385 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1411 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 614 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1435 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1357 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 1313 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 1348 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1876 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 1382 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1436 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 730 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1389 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1349 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 1287 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 1169 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 1252 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 1256 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 1257 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 1216 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 1162 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 1286 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1198 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 1257 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 1107 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 1205 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 660 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 1259 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 1312 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 1354 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 1252 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 8212 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 1208 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1413 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 1367 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 1334 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1416 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 1268 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 1347 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 1275 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1390 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1353 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 1242 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1364 Views
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