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Re: I mean, if you take the long view... Ryan Send a noteboard - 19/01/2011 05:33:08 AM
I agree, the Dagger and Fain will have a part to play, but you really can't say Mat was lucky to take the dagger.


The dagger 1)Gave Mat a reason to chase after the Horn, eventually linking him to it 2)Put "holes" in his memory that he filled with the memories of battlemasters of history.


This is the view I take. Shadar Logoth was the point where the characters truly got out on their own and began to develop as individuals outside of a group.

Rand dealing with his own issues trying to reach Tar Valon for safety, and answers to why the Trollocs were attacking the Two Rivers.

Mat, the dagger that led to him being linked to the Horn of Valere, having holes in his memory, that sent him into the land of the Finns, getting his memories, his Ashandarei, and his ter'angreal.

Perrin, the wolves, his conflicts as a leader, and his long debate over the Hammer vs. the Axe.

The events at Shadar Logoth are singularly in my opinion one of the most pivotal events of the series. Everything to that point, really was a long introduction. The story truly takes off at Shadar Logoth.
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Key to the final battle is in Matt's first "Lucky" incident. - 15/01/2011 04:11:02 AM 2144 Views
You think him taking the Dagger was lucky? - 15/01/2011 09:39:01 AM 1081 Views
I mean, if you take the long view... - 15/01/2011 09:56:47 AM 1201 Views
Re: I mean, if you take the long view... - 19/01/2011 05:33:08 AM 973 Views
If you prefer, "The pattern working thru him" rather than "lucky" - 20/01/2011 01:14:35 AM 1030 Views
Possibly true, but it's debatable if that was Mat's luck - 15/01/2011 10:04:45 AM 1137 Views
actually, his luck started much AFTER the dagger *NM* - 15/01/2011 01:28:12 PM 486 Views
he was ta'veren even then so his luck was likely in place already - 15/01/2011 04:47:42 PM 964 Views
Re: he was ta'veren even then so his luck was likely in place already - 15/01/2011 04:49:55 PM 1000 Views
Mat was lucky long before Rhuidean - 15/01/2011 05:40:57 PM 1041 Views
oh thanks! *NM* - 15/01/2011 05:42:52 PM 451 Views
Mat mentions during the books that - 15/01/2011 07:46:04 PM 986 Views
Re: Mat mentions during the books that - 16/01/2011 05:54:32 AM 1033 Views
The Eye of the World - 19/01/2011 05:38:47 AM 993 Views
Re: The Eye of the World - 19/01/2011 07:29:31 AM 1152 Views
Luck -ter'angreal & Mat - 19/01/2011 02:28:25 PM 1077 Views
About his luck... Does anyone still remember Liandrin and the 12 other Black Ajah sisters? - 15/01/2011 07:36:42 PM 1370 Views
Maybe it will come up in AMoL and be used against him? - 16/01/2011 03:55:39 AM 1110 Views
Not sure, but here's the excerpt - 16/01/2011 04:08:23 AM 997 Views
The second seems much more likely, and in keeping with the series. - 16/01/2011 06:05:20 AM 970 Views
Re: Maybe it will come up in AMoL and be used against him? - 16/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1004 Views
great find! *NM* - 16/01/2011 02:25:02 PM 457 Views
I always figured that was a plot device - 17/01/2011 12:01:23 AM 1048 Views
No - Mat has always been lucky, winning more than losing. - 17/01/2011 01:51:50 PM 899 Views
Re: No - Mat has always been lucky, winning more than losing. - 19/01/2011 07:26:09 AM 987 Views
Re: No - Mat has always been lucky, winning more than losing. - 19/01/2011 10:05:37 AM 968 Views
From EoTW, the dream of the three figures, sword, dagger and wolf. - 20/01/2011 01:20:15 AM 1091 Views
Could the dagger be a ter'angreal like the dice ter'angreal? - 20/01/2011 10:12:42 AM 954 Views

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