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Nope... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM

Not sure about that. First, Egwene doesn't count here, she's the Amyrlin, so she's the top Aes Sedai by default no matter the strength. Before that she didn't know the ranking system the Aes Sedai used.

True.

As for Elayne, since for now only Egwene is between Elayne and Nynaeve in strength among the Aes Sedai, whether Nynaeve is 20% or 3 times stronger than Elayne shouldn't matter in determining the level of deference required. At least as I understand the custom.

That isn't how it works at all. For example, Sheriam is slightly weaker than Elaida, so we see her showing barely any deference to her. However, Kiruna, who is around the same strength level, is much more servile around Cadsuane. While Cadsuane's accomplishments and legendary status can account for some of this, it isn't enough.

The amount of deference clearly depends on how much stronger the woman is compared to you.
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Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM 2305 Views
It's a nice idea, really newyorkersedai - 22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM 1365 Views
we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM 1301 Views
Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM 1410 Views
Still sticking to the nonsense I see... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:14:12 AM 1194 Views
you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM 1241 Views
Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM 1263 Views
*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously? darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM 1212 Views
tGH, but I agree... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM 1356 Views
Re: tGH, but I agree... Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM 1121 Views
I think it's a matter of perspective too darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM 1075 Views
Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot... Shannow - 27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM 1043 Views
Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM 1122 Views
Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it... Shannow - 27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM 1365 Views
I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM 1148 Views
Circular logic... Shannow - 27/01/2011 09:49:40 PM 1238 Views
Explain to me how Moghedien is only 60% of Lanfear and managed to do anything? darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 06:25:28 PM 1365 Views
Easy. And I dispute that all 6 women shielding Logain were only 10% stronger than an Accepted. Shannow - 29/01/2011 12:42:54 PM 1043 Views
Not even gonna bother ... So many flawed statements in here it's not worth the effort to correct you *NM* darius_sedai - 29/01/2011 04:50:01 PM 562 Views
Wait... what? fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM 1056 Views
Re: Wait... what? Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM 1006 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM 1096 Views
Yeah, but... Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM 1150 Views
Therer is a direct quote in New Spring darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM 1119 Views
Yup... *NM* fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:42:15 PM 579 Views
Thanks Zeratul - 28/01/2011 04:05:47 PM 1177 Views
Not really the case though darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 04:54:28 PM 933 Views
That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve? Shannow - 28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM 1105 Views
So Elayne is Cadsunae in you stupid play? fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:44:07 PM 1043 Views
Getting hot under the collar and irrational again, I see... Shannow - 28/01/2011 03:01:14 PM 979 Views
right tGH but still! *NM* darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:02:57 PM 538 Views
It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series... Shannow - 22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM 1334 Views
it's obviously a stretch, just a random thought darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1298 Views
Strength in the Power and skill in the Power are not the same thing. Ghavrel - 22/01/2011 10:33:12 PM 1119 Views
true, but nearly 300 years ago when she was a new AS she had yet to learn that lesson darius_sedai - 23/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 1083 Views
Possibly? But unlikely. redqueen - 23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM 1097 Views
The 6 are... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM 1411 Views
I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM 1183 Views
Agree and disagree... Shannow - 25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM 1128 Views
Re: Agree and disagree... Sidious - 25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM 1055 Views
I didn't say Semirhage is definitely one of the 6, but his answer leaves it as a viable possibility. Shannow - 26/01/2011 07:36:52 AM 1166 Views
I'd disagree with that statement. I think he definitively ruled her out with his comment darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:40:14 PM 977 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:15:59 PM 1038 Views
Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM* Vidarfe - 25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM 527 Views
I think Shannows' point is that even with reduced strength, Lanfear is still the most powerful RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:30:34 PM 1111 Views
Re: The 6 are... Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM 1237 Views
This seems like the most likely case to me, but Sommeryn is unsubstantiated to date darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:43:27 PM 1015 Views
I think there's a stronger case for Someryn than most women Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:07:03 PM 1132 Views
I agree that she is the most likely candidate, but there is nothing beyond speculation darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:45:27 PM 1003 Views
Talaan isn't stronger. She is the same strength and has been actively channeling for 6 years darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:14:31 PM 1147 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/01/2011 03:56:00 PM 1044 Views
Possible... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:17:42 AM 1055 Views
none whatsoever ... purely speculating here *NM* darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:44:15 PM 469 Views
Not necessarily sleepinghour - 25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM 986 Views
But that doesn't answer why a toothless wilder in a backwoods hut would have drawn darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 1062 Views
nah Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM 1287 Views
it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM 1242 Views
Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM 1122 Views
I can see that as a possibility too darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM 1108 Views
Re: I can see that as a possibility too Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:38:31 AM 1211 Views
we'll always disagree I suppose darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:47:42 PM 1164 Views
Strongest since the breaking? I disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/08/2011 01:09:37 PM 1386 Views
I doubt it. Gher - 26/01/2011 03:53:33 AM 1120 Views
Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? ljgibbs - 26/01/2011 09:31:36 AM 1193 Views
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