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Agree. *NM* fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM
The evidence presented, in terms of Mogh and Asmo, just proves what we pretty much already know: Mogh is the weakest of the Forsaken in raw power. This is muddied by the fact that she is among the strongest in manipulation of T'A'R and best at sheer survival, but I don't see any indicator that Asmo is effectively superior to Mogh - if he relies on raw power with saidin but can't keep up with any of the others, than he effectively rates below Mogh, which IMO is pretty much in line with Lanfears' summation of his personality and abilities.

In fact, from his showing in The Shadow Rising while he battled Rand, he seems more akin to what we've seen from Moghedien than any other Forsaken, and if his raw power seems limited by lack of skill, training and overall ability making him effectively the least dangerous of the surviving Forsaken.
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... Shannow - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2508 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1466 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? Shannow - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1577 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1453 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1473 Views
fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:46:40 PM 1298 Views
No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1551 Views
Bullshit... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 1274 Views
Unbiased view... Nargs - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1407 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 718 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 637 Views
Don't agree Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1356 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 1280 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 1374 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... Shannow - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 1375 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 1277 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 1373 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1393 Views
here ya go they were all Forced darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 1196 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 1265 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1497 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Shannow - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1359 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Master Ablar - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1361 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 1311 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 1329 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 1260 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 1152 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 694 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1305 Views
Effective strength means who can make the bigger fireball, the stronger shield, the thicker balefire Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:42:17 PM 1213 Views
I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 1238 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 1287 Views
How... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 1178 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1426 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 1335 Views
Got you now... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 1267 Views
You're clearly delusional... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 1272 Views
You sound ridiculous Nargs - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 1332 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous Kieran - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1370 Views
Ok... Nargs - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 1165 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 1272 Views
Where on earth does it say Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did? darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:06:48 PM 1336 Views
Re: How... Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1379 Views
They're very close now... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1392 Views
That is unfortunately not true... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1322 Views
It is... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 1161 Views
Re: It is... Sidious - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1407 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 1180 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1633 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 1325 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1554 Views
No Sidious - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1316 Views
CLAPS *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 713 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... Shannow - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 1159 Views
Indeed Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 1178 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 1366 Views
I agree with you here darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 1224 Views
I don't think that's true.. fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 1175 Views
the evidence is that Aginor burnt out trying to channel the Eye and Rand didn't darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:23:50 PM 1148 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1457 Views
I think this is a no brainer Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1388 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 1201 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1197 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 1299 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 1199 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 1101 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 1240 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... Shannow - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 1280 Views
Nynaeve's strength Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 1372 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 754 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1381 Views
Minor quibbles aside... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1386 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 1205 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 1299 Views
shrugs darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 1280 Views
Re: shrugs fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 1253 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 1159 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 1166 Views
Thanks for clarifying darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 1112 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 1195 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 621 Views
Cool! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 625 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 1142 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1547 Views
well... Sidious - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 1279 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work Shannow - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 1183 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 750 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 1251 Views
Yup. fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 1196 Views
Trivial darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 1203 Views
Uhhh... no... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 1113 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... Shannow - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 1221 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 1271 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... Shannow - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 1231 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 1353 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... Shannow - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 1208 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 1234 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 701 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 620 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 1051 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1437 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 1236 Views
And a 1000 years ago... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 1183 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 1356 Views
Circular reasoning... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 1295 Views
No, reasoning based on facts and what RJ said, both of which you ignore... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:34:21 PM 1482 Views
If you're going to ignore direct quotes, then we may as well stop right now... Shannow - 06/02/2011 08:42:40 PM 1303 Views
Agreed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 1269 Views
Agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 710 Views
agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 762 Views
off tangent question: Has Nynaeve yet to reach full potential or did she already after being ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:39:29 PM 1232 Views
I think the general concensus is that after the CK she was forced to her full potential darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:44:29 PM 1221 Views
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