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I agree with you here darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM
Rand was basically at Forsaken strength from the moment he first touched Saidin ... by the end of EOTW he could match Aginor who was among the strongest (in raw terms) in the Power. Perhaps it's just another little gift from the Creator :)
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... Shannow - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2389 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1333 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? Shannow - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1410 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1292 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1295 Views
fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:46:40 PM 1143 Views
No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1379 Views
Bullshit... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 1123 Views
Unbiased view... Nargs - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1268 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 656 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 586 Views
Don't agree Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1237 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 1144 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 1186 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... Shannow - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 1197 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 1089 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 1189 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1198 Views
here ya go they were all Forced darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 1061 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 1126 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1310 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Shannow - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1219 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Master Ablar - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1224 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 1140 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 1197 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 1142 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 1001 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 616 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1183 Views
Effective strength means who can make the bigger fireball, the stronger shield, the thicker balefire Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:42:17 PM 1062 Views
I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 1101 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 1093 Views
How... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 1037 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1304 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 1187 Views
Got you now... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 1099 Views
You're clearly delusional... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 1122 Views
You sound ridiculous Nargs - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 1161 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous Kieran - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1203 Views
Ok... Nargs - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 1046 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 1121 Views
Where on earth does it say Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did? darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:06:48 PM 1202 Views
Re: How... Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1243 Views
They're very close now... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1236 Views
That is unfortunately not true... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1189 Views
It is... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 1032 Views
Re: It is... Sidious - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1280 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 1062 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1468 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 1148 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1406 Views
No Sidious - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1200 Views
CLAPS *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 647 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... Shannow - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 1052 Views
Indeed Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 1060 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 1166 Views
I agree with you here darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 1092 Views
I don't think that's true.. fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 1015 Views
the evidence is that Aginor burnt out trying to channel the Eye and Rand didn't darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:23:50 PM 1004 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1298 Views
I think this is a no brainer Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1233 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 1055 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1050 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 1137 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 1039 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 995 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 1090 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... Shannow - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 1080 Views
Nynaeve's strength Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 1191 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 699 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1221 Views
Minor quibbles aside... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1239 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 1037 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 1156 Views
shrugs darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 1085 Views
Re: shrugs fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 1110 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 1010 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 1031 Views
Thanks for clarifying darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 990 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 1049 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 555 Views
Cool! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 579 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 1005 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1392 Views
well... Sidious - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 1125 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work Shannow - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 1044 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 706 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 1119 Views
Yup. fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 1019 Views
Trivial darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 1037 Views
Uhhh... no... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 943 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... Shannow - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 1104 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 1131 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... Shannow - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 1070 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 1167 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... Shannow - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 1054 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 1082 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 651 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 571 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 933 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1291 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 1069 Views
And a 1000 years ago... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 1060 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 1175 Views
Circular reasoning... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 1100 Views
No, reasoning based on facts and what RJ said, both of which you ignore... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:34:21 PM 1355 Views
If you're going to ignore direct quotes, then we may as well stop right now... Shannow - 06/02/2011 08:42:40 PM 1200 Views
Agreed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 1134 Views
Agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 652 Views
agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 675 Views
off tangent question: Has Nynaeve yet to reach full potential or did she already after being ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:39:29 PM 1141 Views
I think the general concensus is that after the CK she was forced to her full potential darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:44:29 PM 1085 Views
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