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Is Mazrim Taim just a jerk? uglycat Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 11:04:00 PM
so, obviously, touching on the topic of Taim is risky. that much i've noticed while lurking about. ^_^;

but, as far as i can recall, i don't really remember this particular take on the guy coming up.

namely, is it possible that Taim is not a dark friend, nor a forsaken in disguise (moridin is the popular one i believe, since demandred was debunked), but just some guy who's a big ol jerk?

in LoC, Ch2, as Rand is about to first meet Mazrim Taim, Rand has an LTT thought:
Lews Therin rose up in a frenzy in his head. Sammael and Demandred hated me, whatever honors I gave them. The more honors, the worse the hate, until they sold their souls and went over. Demandred especially.


it seems a parallel is being set up here. but at the same time, maybe a bit of a red herring too.

when Bashere seems uncertain of Taim's identity, Taim talks about 'something' he did to four of Bashere's buddies:
"I hear you hid what happened to Musar and Hachari and their wives." The mockery was gone; he was just relating what had happened now. "They shouldn't have tried to kill me under a parley flag. I trust you found them good places as servants? All they'll really want to do now is serve and obey; they won't be happy otherwise.--"

Sounds an awful lot like compulsion to me. Something, it seems, Rand missed. in Rand's defense, he was still fairly new at channeling at this point, even with Asmodean's teaching and he was probably pretty distracted with Taim at this time anyway.

so, we come now to the reason why there's a ToM tag on this post; the whole 13x13 theory re: Tarna and Mezar.

is it possible that they just have Taim's particular brand of compulsion on them?

of course, this doesn't really account for the dreamspike at the Black Tower. i suppose Moridin just put it there for fits and giggles, but that's a pretty weak guess. especially since there are only 2 dreamspikes and only one of which Moridin can use.

discuss? :)
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Is Mazrim Taim just a jerk? uglycat - 09/02/2011 11:04:00 PM 1610 Views
It's Demandred. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:16:33 PM 815 Views
Re: It's Demandred. uglycat - 09/02/2011 11:32:31 PM 819 Views
But I want him to be Demandred. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:54:05 PM 360 Views
because RJ said so *NM* Deadsy - 09/02/2011 11:32:53 PM 358 Views
And there's no chance he lied to give us some suspense? *NM* Lord Haart - 11/02/2011 10:26:26 AM 384 Views
that would be bullshit *NM* Lo'oris - 11/02/2011 01:48:35 PM 370 Views
"let the lord of chaos rule." Pretty much Darkside-only. *NM* newyorkersedai - 10/02/2011 02:13:17 AM 349 Views
re: let the lord of chaos rule uglycat - 10/02/2011 02:36:40 AM 1143 Views
He can still be a huge jerk though. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2011 01:48:08 PM 790 Views
Yes, Lord Katie, it's true - he could jusy be a huge jerk. But the odds are slim, dontcha think? *NM* newyorkersedai - 11/02/2011 12:23:48 PM 353 Views
I think the odds are pretty close to one that he's a jerk. Darth_Katie - 11/02/2011 06:25:02 PM 734 Views
On the other hand, you have one of my favorite handles ever *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 03:42:01 PM 350 Views
Thanks. *NM* Darth_Katie - 12/02/2011 07:19:13 PM 388 Views
not compulsion Oberonus - 10/02/2011 03:30:24 AM 750 Views
Re: not compulsion uglycat - 10/02/2011 04:08:30 AM 809 Views
There has to be at least one 13x13 in the series. Right? RIGHT?! *NM* Ghavrel - 10/02/2011 04:26:46 AM 327 Views
haha, yeah, that too. *NM* uglycat - 10/02/2011 07:36:31 AM 355 Views
Why do you think he doesn't know Compulsion? Voscaia Sedai - 10/02/2011 11:10:58 AM 631 Views
I lean toward Darkfriend turned Dreadlord (because he could channel) or turned by 13x13 _Big_Easy_ - 10/02/2011 05:47:06 AM 728 Views
Nevermind. Fanatic-Templar - 10/02/2011 05:58:14 AM 725 Views
taim is insane? aldapelan - 10/02/2011 03:19:33 PM 703 Views
I always took that 'so called Aiel' comment at face value, to be honest . Fanatic-Templar - 10/02/2011 06:38:29 PM 803 Views
sorry double post *NM* aldapelan - 10/02/2011 03:19:46 PM 336 Views
Well, he's either a Darkfriend or a moron Zeratul - 10/02/2011 03:36:02 PM 724 Views
I don't believe those are mutually exclusive *NM* Jim - 13/02/2011 04:11:11 AM 286 Views
I still think he's Be'lal. ranagrande - 12/02/2011 07:22:57 AM 1020 Views
Sounds good to me Darth_Katie - 12/02/2011 07:20:24 PM 840 Views
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