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Re: They were naive Cannoli Send a noteboard - 29/04/2011 03:18:42 PM


Elayne too, and Nynaeve didn't think much of her. I always assumed it was just their naivity - Egwene and Nynaeve still judging the world by Two Rivers standards (does anyone else think 'good Two Rivers woolens' are more about warmth than modesty? It's cold around there) and Elayne being jealous over Rand. Elayne, though she would have been raised knowing her marriage was a means to an end, would have unquestioningly assumed that she would enter into any such relationship from a position of strength. None of the three of them knew anything about the political realities of being a weak woman ruler with only beauty and guile for weapons.


As you say, Elayne was jealous and once she's reduced Berelain on her threat radar, I don't see any problems with them getting along, as Aviendha was with her in LoC. Recall that Aviendha was very aware of Elayne's feelings regarding Rand & Berelain in tSR, and given her obsessive honor issues concerning that mess, she would be very well primed for hostility toward Berelain. Especially as she herself was already guilty of the sin Berelain had only attempted, and human nature judges most harshly those with whom one SHARES a flaw. Yet they were still acting friendly enough to creep out Rand, on what had to have been a very short acquaintence. Even if it is only a vicarious sharing of the Wise One's acceptance, Elayne gets along very well with the Wise Ones and respects them a lot. Nynaeve might have disapproved, but she was more objective in Tear, though the sheer lack of anything remotely in common would probably be her biggest obstacle to getting along with her. Egwene maintains her cattiness, because the dreams she unethically eavesdrops on are not to her taste. All she can do is wonder why so many of her friends respect the woman, and the thought that there might be something admirable or respectable about her never once occurs.
Cannoli
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Egwene vs. Gawyn (ToM spoilers of course) - 28/04/2011 05:01:46 AM 4949 Views
There's fifty feet of crap between rock bottom and your post... *NM* - 28/04/2011 07:40:04 AM 618 Views
Almost three days since the last post...at least I'm trying. - 28/04/2011 12:17:59 PM 1229 Views
Sorry about that... - 28/04/2011 10:58:50 PM 1287 Views
Ah, its always good to see a good Egwene rant. Bravo! NM *NM* - 28/04/2011 01:58:46 PM 861 Views
Great work, Cannoli - 28/04/2011 02:09:28 PM 1288 Views
Regarding the mother's permission.... - 28/04/2011 07:26:29 PM 1352 Views
while i agree with you on most of this - 28/04/2011 04:53:06 PM 1381 Views
hmpf, i post a good point and nothing - 28/04/2011 11:09:53 PM 1206 Views
Everybody agrees with you, that's why there were no replies *NM* - 28/04/2011 11:29:13 PM 601 Views
Here's a scary thought - 28/04/2011 11:54:50 PM 1468 Views
OMGWTFBBQ!? - 28/04/2011 11:58:37 PM 1183 Views
In regards to the letters... - 28/04/2011 05:28:13 PM 1472 Views
But Gawyn was not Egwene's subject - 28/04/2011 06:09:31 PM 1254 Views
Which was why I thought it was appropriate, since he meant to act as Egwene's Warder. - 28/04/2011 06:19:53 PM 1181 Views
The only issue is that Warders are not minions - they are honored junior partners. - 28/04/2011 07:39:18 PM 1374 Views
No, the junior partners are Accepted. Warders are essentially personal bodyguards and/or assistants. - 28/04/2011 08:00:17 PM 1158 Views
Marriage - 28/04/2011 08:27:53 PM 1179 Views
Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical - 28/04/2011 09:32:22 PM 1433 Views
Here's the thing though... - 28/04/2011 11:20:32 PM 1208 Views
No, but it's cute and quirky when Faile does it. - 29/04/2011 03:06:50 PM 1386 Views
But... - 29/04/2011 10:52:03 PM 1150 Views
That's not really clear - 29/04/2011 11:41:20 PM 1297 Views
Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 06:37:42 PM 1394 Views
Re: Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 11:17:21 PM 1221 Views
Didn't Siuan, Gareth and Gawyn tell her about the Bloodknife they encountered? - 02/05/2011 02:33:08 PM 1188 Views
It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:10:23 PM 1520 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:25:31 PM 1464 Views
thumbs up to you both *NM* - 28/04/2011 08:45:51 PM 572 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:46:37 PM 1342 Views
Galad is a great option for a political marriage - 28/04/2011 09:04:46 PM 1201 Views
Yes, but... - 28/04/2011 09:40:39 PM 1212 Views
but galad knew nothing of berelain's closeness to rand, so that couldn't have affected anything - 28/04/2011 10:12:23 PM 1269 Views
Exactly - 28/04/2011 10:27:04 PM 1132 Views
Yes. An often overlooked point is that ELAYNE, not Egwene, gains the most power in ToM - 28/04/2011 09:42:43 PM 1633 Views
Except... - 28/04/2011 11:16:25 PM 1243 Views
Well... - 29/04/2011 12:14:42 AM 1177 Views
Re: Well... - 29/04/2011 08:39:37 AM 1157 Views
Except they're both really hot. - 28/04/2011 10:01:46 PM 1393 Views
They were naive - 28/04/2011 11:10:34 PM 1160 Views
Re: They were naive - 29/04/2011 03:18:42 PM 1543 Views
I can only quibble; Egwene became so insufferable in ToM I'm convinced her fate will be unpleasant. - 04/05/2011 12:41:53 AM 1413 Views
Siuan... - 04/05/2011 05:42:59 AM 1358 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 07/05/2011 03:35:46 AM 1277 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 12/05/2011 02:13:08 PM 1255 Views
"McClellanesque", eh? I'll have to remember that one. - 16/05/2011 12:12:23 AM 1518 Views

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