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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions Tor Send a noteboard - 04/02/2012 09:48:52 AM
this White Tower also lost track of the date and the year TWICE over the course of its history.

Do you have a source for that? Not because I'm trying to be difficult, I'm just interested to read it.

Even if someone HAD lasted from the AoL to the founding of the White Tower, there is no reason they could not STILL forget the weave. Secondly, the books say NO Aes Sedai survived the Breaking. While it might have been possible for one to survive, none did. Period.

Again, do you have the source? And how do you forget a weave (if you mean forget in the sense that you can no longer remember something you used to be able to do)? It seems to me to be like riding a bicycle. Once you know how, you don't forget. Of course, what it seems like to me isn't an argument, but at least I can't remember (heh) there being anything about forgetting weaves in the books.

And there is no reason to assume they WOULD, even if they COULD. One method used to mark the end of the Breaking is the death of the last male Aes Sedai, and female Aes Sedai could very well have been favorite targets of the madmen. Remember, these are not random nutjobs, their madness comes from the Dark One's touch and in every case we have seen, it has manifested itself as delusions which incite or inspire violence and destruction.


That's not exactly true. Fedwin Morr was certainly completely bonkers, and he didn't turn violent. Poor statistics, I know, but at least they don't turn violent in every single case.

Why not? On what do you base that rather large leap? Male channelers are widely feared and their untrained destructive capabilities are taken very seriously. In Rand's portal stone life, he can alter the course of battles with a little surreptitious channeling here or there, and his ability is untrained and unreliable, but it is enough to win enough battles for a country boy from the ass end of nowhere to rise rapidly in the ranks of the Queen's Guard. The Seanchan damane are not very skilled, but are sufficient to be the basis of the power of a continent-occupying Empire.


Sure, a few women who could channel could turn battles and so on, but my point is that if they were just a bunch of wilders who happened to run into each other, there wouldn't be very many of them. It takes a while to figure out what you're doing, learn control, maybe find a few others who can do the same thing, and then figure out how to teach someone without the spark, and so on. To me, it seems unlikely that construction of the White Tower, a building meant to house thousands of people, would have begun as early as 98 AB if channeling was invented from scratch after the breaking.

You have no basis beyond their apparent political success for assuming particular levels of skill, and even those results say nothing about about their sophistication with the Power, only their POLITICAL skills. Or maybe you know the make-up of the "Tower forming" weave?


Actually, the Tower was built with the help of the one power, so someone would, quite literally, have known the "Tower forming" weave. Of course, that isn't neccessarily a complex thing to do, and doesn't have anything to do with the rest of this argument.
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