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She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor Cannoli Send a noteboard - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM
Was reading KoD the other day, and one of the things that kept jumping out at me was Min's vision, and how Elayne keeps using it to put herself in harm's way with little caution. Indeed she keeps insisting that no harm will come to her until the babes are born. I got the suspicion that RJ was giving us a little hint, and couldn't shake it out of my head.
She could also be doing exactly what a sane person does when they receive such a guarantee, and others are using invalid & unfounded concerns for her safety to interfere with her job.

With the imminent attack of Caemlyn by Shadowspawn coming in aMoL, can it be possible that Elayne won't survive? If the Trolloc horde overrun Andor, it would give the Shadow a prime foothold in the heart of the westlands. Knowing Elayne, she would probably insist on standing her ground during the invasion rather than fleeing the city via gateway. But still she must survive to fulfill the vision of the three women on a boat (unless one of the three is not elayne). Now even if they don't manage to fend off the Shadow army from Caemlyn, that leaves Min's vision of Elayne's twins. Do we know how far along she is in her pregnancy? I kept getting the feeling that RJ was alluding to her dying in childbirth, but it might also just mean nothing. What do you guys think?


It's possible she could die in childbirth, but that does not invalidate the viewing. I don't think there's any foreshadowing one way or another. I think all that RJ is trying to do is pile difficulties on her to make the struggle for the throne all the more frustrating for her, and demonstrating how she plays by rules, even when she does not have to. Just as she could use her One Power advantages to win the war without violating the letter of the Three Oaths, she also could blow everyone off, but tolerates an unprecedented level of security despite a having a certain assurance of survival for nine more months. I think that's all that was going on. There are too many other things suggesting her survival to assume some perverse surprise twist on the viewing.
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So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL? mogi67 - 29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM 2077 Views
Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die darius_sedai - 29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM 1169 Views
Dying in childbirth would be totally lame Zeratul - 29/02/2012 09:34:47 AM 1165 Views
There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM* Nolan - 29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM 589 Views
That's nothing to do with Elayne Cannoli - 29/02/2012 05:19:39 PM 1154 Views
Or does it? JasonD - 10/03/2012 06:21:53 PM 976 Views
She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor Cannoli - 29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM 1360 Views
Going to have to agree 100% *NM* Myrdhyn - 29/02/2012 06:42:15 PM 648 Views
I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM 992 Views
Ok... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM 1039 Views
practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone LadyLorraine - 01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM 996 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM 1182 Views
not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM 1136 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives fionwe1987 - 04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM 976 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM 1049 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM 1116 Views
is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?) LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM 1121 Views
Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely Jim - 05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM 1090 Views
No, I realize that LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM 987 Views
Re: No, I realize that DomA - 06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM 1142 Views
Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail LadyLorraine - 06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM 966 Views
Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail DomA - 07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM 988 Views
oh pllp. clearly I haven't read much lately LadyLorraine - 07/03/2012 02:02:20 PM 1116 Views
DomA - 09/03/2012 12:43:57 PM 995 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM 1169 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives Jim - 05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM 1245 Views
I think Lan will live just to spite the character *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/03/2012 02:11:59 AM 637 Views
Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives DomA - 06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM 1077 Views
RJ says otherwise darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM 1091 Views
Re: RJ says otherwise DomA - 08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM 1187 Views
I kind of disagree Jim - 08/03/2012 05:21:33 AM 1140 Views
Re: I kind of disagree DomA - 08/03/2012 01:39:40 PM 1089 Views
You misunderstand my point darius_sedai - 09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM 1034 Views
Re: You misunderstand my point DomA - 09/03/2012 12:40:29 PM 1386 Views
Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising darius_sedai - 09/03/2012 01:23:06 PM 978 Views
No one mourned or cheered when Dobraine was dying. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/03/2012 04:12:39 PM 831 Views
Re: Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising DomA - 09/03/2012 07:18:41 PM 1309 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM 1177 Views
I didn't know Naelson was a Darkfriend, or Tylin either. What about Jaim? Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:45:57 AM 1293 Views
they're not main characters either Jim - 02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM 1098 Views
I wouldn't even consider Morgase to be a MAIN character. Evil_Monkey - 02/03/2012 12:28:41 PM 1097 Views
Yes. I am classifying Main Characters as Rand, Egwene, Elayne, Perrin, Mat, Avi, Min and Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2012 05:42:58 PM 869 Views
Verin is the most significant character to die that I recall darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:50:51 PM 1092 Views
Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters Praziquantel - 02/03/2012 12:53:41 AM 1018 Views
And you think she won't hop back to Caemlyn the moment word comes of the attack? *NM* fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 03:22:11 AM 590 Views
No, she won't be able to weave the gateway and Rand won't let anyone make her one. *NM* Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:48:06 AM 727 Views
The smartass answer: Birgitte. But, despite all seeming evidence, I don't know why anyone would. *NM* Palatine - 01/03/2012 04:36:22 PM 697 Views
Hope or think? *NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/03/2012 06:30:58 PM 592 Views
Oh God I hope she does *NM* Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:48:46 AM 804 Views
i don't think she will....just hoping. *NM* moridin15 - 04/03/2012 09:55:06 AM 720 Views
It's fairly doubtful DomA - 04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM 1190 Views
Agreed. fionwe1987 - 04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM 928 Views
Re: Agreed. DomA - 04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM 1080 Views
I expect Moiraine to be the second woman to link with Rand Jim - 05/03/2012 02:08:44 AM 1049 Views
I'm very suspicious of the whole "Callandor" theory.... DomA - 06/03/2012 03:27:05 AM 1307 Views
I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up darius_sedai - 06/03/2012 04:04:13 AM 881 Views
Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up DomA - 06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM 1236 Views
We have similar thought processes on this *NM* darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 01:47:39 PM 547 Views
I don't see Singing playing any role in TG Jim - 08/03/2012 05:08:24 AM 932 Views
Have you read ToM? fionwe1987 - 08/03/2012 07:52:46 AM 1035 Views
Re: I don't see Singing playing any role in TG DomA - 08/03/2012 02:07:31 PM 1031 Views
I expect Rand to "die" Jim - 05/03/2012 02:07:55 AM 975 Views
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