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Re: You clearly read the scene, so how did you miss this? Tor Send a noteboard - 15/05/2012 08:48:32 AM
Graendal's idea is simple, and shows why she was so good at her job. She considered the possibility that Nynaeve could read compulsion. Which meant that through her, Rand would be able to glean her plans. She clearly expected that Rand's next move would be based on what he thought Graendal's plan was, which he would interpret from what she wanted Ramshalan to do.


Agreed. This is clear.

She wanted to delay him, so she had Delana compel Ramshalan and give some random orders. Since the orders aren't from Graendal, Rand would obviously be confused, or ascribe weird motives to her, either of which suited her since it would delay him from attacking her. She added to the confusion even more by having Aran'gar do some saidin compulsion.


It is not clear, however, that it is better to use Delana to apply random Compulsion, rather than doing it herself. You say that "since the orders aren't from Graendal, Rand would obviously be confused", but that's not obvious at all. There is no indication that Graendal thinks Nynaeve is able to tell who made the Compulsion, only that she might be able to read what it does. Thus, the relevant bit is what it does, not who made it. By having Delana do some random stuff, she might get confusion, she might not, whereas if she did it herself she could make sure the orders were confusing. In any case, it seems weird to give up control in this case.

Though actually, when re-reading the scene just now I noticed something I missed earlier. It says:

"Graendal needed time, and she needed to discover what al'Thor knew. If Nynaeve al'Meara had the skill needed to read Compulsions, that was Dangerous. Graendal needed to lay him a false trail, delay him -- hence her requirement that Delana create a thick Compulsion with strange provisions in it."

So pretty much what you said. I still say it doesn't make sense to give up control. In particular, what she said to Delana was:

"Add a few other random requirements on him, whatever occurs to you."

Hardly sufficient to guarantee "a thick Compulsions with strange provisions in it".

That she took such care was rewarded. When she saw that Rand had meant to use the compulsion only as an indicator of her survival, she saw the chance to appear dead but be actually alive.


Yes, it obviously work out neatly, but I would have been much happier with the scene if it was written a little more elegantly.
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