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Mat and the madness... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM
You could be right about Mat going to Ebou Dar after Merrilor, of course, but the wording of the blurb seems to indicate otherwise. I know blurbs can be wrong, though.

As for the attack on Caemlyn by the Seanchan... certainly a possibility. Tuon by now knows that Morghase (a marath'damane) was queen and "released" by Suroth. She may even know Elayne is an Aes Sedai. Either way, after Tar Valon, Caemlyn is certainly on the list, but the attack on Tar Valon seems humungous, and from Selucia's wording, it seems clear they mean to throw a huge part of their forces at TV. That's the second attack on TV I referred to. The one where the Seanchan are planning to gate into the Tower basements and attack all of TV from there.

"Reports say," Fortuona announced, "that there are still hundreds of marath'damane in the place called the White Tower. They are the key to recapturing Seanchan, the key to holding this land, and the key to preparing for the Last Battle. The Dragon Reborn will
serve the Crystal Throne.
"We have been provided with a way to strike. Let it be said to the Captain-General that he should gather his finest soldiers. I want each and every damane we control to be brought back to the city. We will train them in this method of Traveling. And then we will
go, in force, to the White Tower. Before, we struck them with a pinprick. Now, we will let them know the full weight of out sword. All of the marath'damane must be leashed."


Clearly, she means to use all of the Seanchan resources against TV, and sees that as a first step towards conquering other lands. Caemlyn will have to wait for this to go down.

I'm totally not sure whether Mat will meet Tuon before this attack or not. I rather think before, since I find it hard to believe that in the undivided aMoL, Jordan planned two invasions of Tar Valon by the Seanchan to be shown on screen.

She doubted his sanity during and after their meeting remember.

And also promptly decided he was lucid.
Egwene hasn't yet met anyone who could convince her Rand is (now again) quite sane. She didn't know the man she met wasn't the man she's heard all those disturbing reports about.

She's had a complete debriefing from Nynaeve, and also has the Wise One's words that he has embraced death. In that conversation she has with Siuan and Nynaeve, she shows a clear understanding that Rand has changed from before, and says that she believes he wouldn't even have to do something like Natrin's Barrow now. Nowhere does she indicate she thinks him mad. In her letter to the rulers, she just mentions Rand's "brash intentions", nothing about the madness.

Nynaeve sighed, taking her spoon to begin her soup. "I didn't mean that as a challenge, Mother. I just want to show how he thinks. Light! I didn't approve of much of what he did, particularly lately. But I can see how he got there."
"He has changed, though," Siuan said thoughtfully. "You said so yourself."
"Yes," Nynaeve said. "The Aiel say he's embraced death."
"I've heard that from them, too," Egwene said. "But I looked into his eyes, and something else has changed, something inexplicable. The man I saw . . ."
"He didn't seem like one to destroy Natrin's Barrow?" Siuan shivered as she thought of that.
"The man I saw wouldn't need to destroy such a place," Egwene said. "Those inside would just follow him. Bend to his wishes. Because he was"
The three fell silent.


And its highly unlikely Nynaeve didn't mention her Delving of Rand and finding the Light-like substance protecting him. She told Egwene everything else, why not this?

Min, Cadsuane, Tam, the Borderlands rulers are some of those people who know better. None of these people will meet Egwene before Merrilor, presumably.

You forgot Nynaeve and the Wise Ones.
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