See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM
My earlier assertions were that Taringail would not have had the political clout to force Andoran Royals to make Galad a Damodred. Without a Published acknowledgment that Galad and/or Taringail was the legal Hier as part of the marriage agreement with Tigrain there was pretty much zero advantage to Mantear in having Galad as a Damodred.
The Game of Houses is exactly what I'm talking about here. The Damodred line needed the union far more than the Mantear line did. Mantear had one Hier, and an ironclad succession, while Damodred had several candidates other than Taringale ... Moiraine, her sisters, Barthanes, probably Caraline and Laman's surviving brothers all could have inherited if the Aiel War didn't happen. Taringale's marriage and the fact that he moved to Andor sound like a Game to keep a Damodred on the Throne after Laman ... A powerful familial alliance with Mantear would go a long way to keep Damodred in power. Galad as a Damodred could potentially muddy those waters even more and I can't see a sitting Queen allowing her Hier to marry into another house when at the time they were in no danger of losing power.
Regardless of Taringail's status as Hier, Mantear either played a rookie move in the Game (very possible) or there is information we don't have on why Galad ended up a Damodred. It's clear what Taringale's end goals were, but it's very unclear as to why the Mantears would have played along for a foreigner. They lost a potentially powerful member of the last Royal line. Even still, you would think the Mantears would have at least made a play to keep Galad as Hgh Seat given his high profile connections at the time of Modreilien's death.
The Game of Houses is exactly what I'm talking about here. The Damodred line needed the union far more than the Mantear line did. Mantear had one Hier, and an ironclad succession, while Damodred had several candidates other than Taringale ... Moiraine, her sisters, Barthanes, probably Caraline and Laman's surviving brothers all could have inherited if the Aiel War didn't happen. Taringale's marriage and the fact that he moved to Andor sound like a Game to keep a Damodred on the Throne after Laman ... A powerful familial alliance with Mantear would go a long way to keep Damodred in power. Galad as a Damodred could potentially muddy those waters even more and I can't see a sitting Queen allowing her Hier to marry into another house when at the time they were in no danger of losing power.
Regardless of Taringail's status as Hier, Mantear either played a rookie move in the Game (very possible) or there is information we don't have on why Galad ended up a Damodred. It's clear what Taringale's end goals were, but it's very unclear as to why the Mantears would have played along for a foreigner. They lost a potentially powerful member of the last Royal line. Even still, you would think the Mantears would have at least made a play to keep Galad as Hgh Seat given his high profile connections at the time of Modreilien's death.
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21/05/2012 06:44:26 PM
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Thoughts...
21/05/2012 06:46:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 08:45:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 09:04:09 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM
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Mat and the madness...
21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM
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Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad
21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM
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Not Egwene though...
21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM
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Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM
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Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM
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Re: Mat and the madness...
22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM
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Rand's dreams...
22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM
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She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney
22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM
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Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her.
21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM
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Oh read the books will you?
21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM
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I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author.
22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
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What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn."
22/05/2012 02:12:25 PM
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As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar
22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM
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At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM
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Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM
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Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
23/05/2012 08:53:53 PM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
23/05/2012 09:01:10 PM
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It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
23/05/2012 09:22:47 PM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
24/05/2012 07:34:40 AM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
25/05/2012 01:23:21 AM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM
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Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
24/05/2012 07:04:02 PM
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Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM
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Agreed...
26/05/2012 09:57:06 PM
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I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends
26/05/2012 10:37:44 PM
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Re: Agreed...
27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM
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I think you're both wrong...
27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM
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I'm sure that is part of it, but I very much doubt he is thinking in terms of succession
27/05/2012 01:41:37 PM
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I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM
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Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM
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That makes no sense
28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM
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Taringail was Laman's heir...
28/05/2012 07:20:07 PM
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You are answering the wrong question
29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM
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No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it.
29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM
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Yet not one of these things actually happened
29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM
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You're being absurd...
30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM
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Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
30/05/2012 05:48:48 AM
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30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM
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Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne?
30/05/2012 06:22:08 AM
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We don't fully know...
30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM
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You just flipped your last statement
30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM
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You seem extremely confused...
30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM
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Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM
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Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM
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I am not contesting the information we have
30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM
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You're impossible...
30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM
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Re: Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
30/05/2012 02:22:21 PM
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See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that
30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM
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Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear....
30/05/2012 10:50:33 PM
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Re: That makes no sense
29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM
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Only one other thing...
29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM
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No. If that was the case Taringail would have been King of Cairhien and not have married Morgase *NM*
30/05/2012 05:52:18 AM
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Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP
30/05/2012 06:07:48 AM
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Bryne was First Prince Regent.
30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM
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No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
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Re: No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
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Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
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Re: Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
27/05/2012 06:44:41 PM
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I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
28/05/2012 02:10:14 AM
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Re: I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
28/05/2012 03:33:18 PM
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one *NM*
28/05/2012 05:18:40 PM
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He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon.
25/05/2012 03:40:54 AM
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