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I've only been saying no for years. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM
I've always assumed Ishamael went and corrupted the Seanchan prophesies, but is there proof?

NO!
Just all you channeler wannabes automatically assuming the worst of any Seanchan and assuming that the Seanchan PoV character who thinks the wetlander prophecies are corrupt is not only wrong, but inversely wrong and thus his are corrupted.

As Moiraine notes in tGH, prophecies from the Shadow are as likely to come true as their enemies'. Even the supposedly mistaken prophecy that Graendal read has not yet failed. She is obviously mistaking the Wolf of the prophecy for Perrin, when Lan or Ituralde is a more likely candidate.

Likewise, Moiraine claims that the Aiel are not mentioned in the Prophecies of the Dragon, yet they are in almost the first prophecy Rand hears quoted: she simply did not know they are the People of the Dragon. The difference cited by the Seanchan is that the wetlanders' prophecy does not mention Rand kneeling to the Crystal Throne, which theirs does. It can be as simple as the fact that neither version is comprehensive (and I have nothing to indicate they are, and much suggesting the opposite), and no one on this side of the Ocean understood the significance of the Foretelling to include it. Or it could refer to the same event in different words. For one thing, Rand will almost certainly not kneel before the Throne itself, but before Fortuona. In Seanchan, the Throne is identified with the office in the same way we refer to the White House and the president as one and the same. "Word from the White House is..." and so on. So maybe a Seanchan would refer the same event by saying he will kneel to the Crystal Throne and a wetlander prophet would say he will kneel to "the blood of the hammer" or some other oblique reference. Without both complete copies of the prophecies it is impossible to say one way or another.

As for the ridiculousness of Ishamael basing a strategy on minor alterations of a thousand-year-old prophecy, the less said the better. He has been portrayed as astute enough to grasp the series' theme of misunderstandings and unexpected results, and not try to influence people at that great a remove.

Despite the superstitious actions of many Seanchan characters (all the random Omens) there seems to be truth to the readings of the Omens.
Pay some attention to causality! The Seanchan are more reliant on omens and such, because of the apparently superior predictive abilities of Seanchan channelers.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

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Misc observations from my latest re-read - 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM 2977 Views
How does LTT know about Far Madding's history? - 14/10/2012 08:29:13 PM 1540 Views
How Stong was Gitara? - 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM 1481 Views
So so stong. She had incredible stength. - 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM 1516 Views
Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM 1317 Views
Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM 1130 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1141 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1275 Views
And there's Sorilea... - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1354 Views
Perhaps, but Bair is in her 80s and can't channel at all - 15/10/2012 03:09:35 AM 1106 Views
Problem is... - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1250 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 1103 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 1120 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1053 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM 1186 Views
Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend - 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM 1047 Views
How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai? - 15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM 1143 Views
He was banging the queen - 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM 1064 Views
And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen? - 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM 1351 Views
here ya go - 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM 1185 Views
There's an awful lot for "not many" - 15/10/2012 05:07:30 AM 1097 Views
When did I say I bought into Linda's theories? - 15/10/2012 05:29:27 AM 1053 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1180 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 1121 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 1125 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV - 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM 1091 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1154 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 1106 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1158 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 736 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself... - 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM 1108 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed - 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM 1129 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1236 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her - 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM 1068 Views
We know nothing of the sort. - 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM 1061 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1152 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM 1178 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM 1137 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 01:01:47 PM 1217 Views
Just to be clear - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 1051 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 18/10/2012 01:23:48 AM 1141 Views
Elayne's thoughts about this - 17/10/2012 04:16:38 PM 1100 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points" - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1321 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 1102 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1195 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 1083 Views
To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 1047 Views
Re: To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:27:47 AM 1123 Views
Some people look young. - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 1019 Views
I never mentioned the OR... - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM 1131 Views
RJ said Sharina would go back to about middle aged - 16/10/2012 02:23:21 AM 941 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 652 Views
Told you so. *NM* - 15/10/2012 05:21:58 AM 749 Views
I think so. - 16/11/2012 11:40:17 AM 1271 Views
Aging - 15/10/2012 06:08:47 PM 1195 Views
How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM 1179 Views
Re: How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM 1223 Views
I couldn't find it - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 1122 Views
Are the Seanchan prophesies false? - 14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM 1277 Views
I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM 1336 Views
Not the same thing - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 1114 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1284 Views
Re: I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM 1349 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise. - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 975 Views
Of course there is truth... - 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM 1211 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1173 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1175 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1255 Views
How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are? - 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM 1169 Views
Who says they can't? - 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM 1165 Views
True to a point - 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM 1067 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM 1116 Views
Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 1062 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 1145 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC? - 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM 1038 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM* - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 729 Views
Yes she is - 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM 1170 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS" - 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM 1144 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM 1088 Views
Re: She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 08:10:58 PM 1119 Views
I think Linda is correct in this particular instance - 19/10/2012 02:14:23 AM 1194 Views
You mean the SC? - 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM 1174 Views
No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM 1176 Views
Re: No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM 1148 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM 1013 Views
Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM 1119 Views
I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM 1054 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM 1185 Views
I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 03:01:20 PM 980 Views
Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1301 Views
I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 01:20:32 AM 1366 Views
Re: I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM 1077 Views
Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM 1142 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM 1024 Views
Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM 1162 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM 1072 Views
Not a good plan, I'll give you that - 18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM 1180 Views
*sigh* - 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM 1134 Views
*double sigh* - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 1083 Views
Re: *double sigh* - 19/10/2012 05:48:25 PM 1109 Views
Agreed *NM* - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 640 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM 1210 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail - 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM 1182 Views
Not conclusive? - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 1036 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 1011 Views
double post *NM* - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 645 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1231 Views
Re: Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 17/10/2012 08:33:27 PM 1252 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 1023 Views
Just a note about Bair - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1156 Views
I don't see how it could be possible - 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM 1036 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1318 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1248 Views

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