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I don't think that's likely Sidious Send a noteboard - 06/11/2012 06:04:55 PM
he'll certainly beat him in battle, thats been on the cards since he went through the arches. The killing blow will no doubt be Rand's (or Taim's if there is a twist), the Demandred v LTT thing has been built up far too long for it to be left to Mat.


RJ loved to punish his bad guys by depriving them of their hearts desire. Demandred dying before having his shot at LTT/ Rand has that sort of RJ sense of justice. Not to mention Super Rand is so far out of any Forsaken's league now it would be a very boring OP duel. All the skill of LTT and what appears to be limitless OP strength, and a Buddha like mentality ... I doubt Rand will do the dead himself. But who knows ... I prepare to yawn through it if he does!


Demandred and Rand's confrontation will take place. Too much build up has gone into it.

At the climax of the conventional battle, Rand has defeated Moridin, and is standing over his injured body. In desperation, Moridin reaches out through the link and swaps bodies with Rand just as Demandred arrives on the scene.

Demandred takes his chance and kills "Rand" (who is now Moridin in truth). Rand - in Moridin's body - then kills Demandred, who thinks he has finally achieved his dream, but has in truth fallen short by a hair yet again.


I find that unlikely for the following reasons...

1. We've seen the cover for AMOL and it looks like Rand is descending into the Pit of Doom with two women. Unless you think Demandred is going to take all of them on, along with Moridin, or that both the women will die, I don't see how it can happen.

2. Rand is a super-channeler Light avatar. Moridin may be able to stand against him if the Dark One directly helps him, but let's be honest, most Darkfriends kill themselves or can't even look at Rand when he's near. He's also probably stronger than all of the Forsaken together now. The Pattern is in complete flux around him. Demandred might just ignite if he comes too close to Rand.

3. Demandred's case isn't much better than other Forsaken. Moridin being the Dark avatar may have a better cause to meet Rand, and even Cyndane has been on a collision path since Lanfear died. Doesn't mean it will happen.

As it is, I actually do think Demandred will have a 'glorious' death. I think it's going to be a team effort. I can totally see Demandred falling to Logain and Cadsuane (or similar) who work as a team to kill him.

I think Mat will defeat him in Battle but not in combat. Mat couldn't even survive an offhand attack by Rahvin, there is no way he can take on someone like Demandred directly.

That said, RJ 'defeated' Demandred with a relatively unimpressive team in WH i.e. Flinn and two normal Aes Sedai. It's possible he'll paint a giant "L" on Demandred's forehead and have some lame duck like Moiraine kill him from behind. Villainy has always been impotent in WoT, but Brandon does seem to have some reserved hope for Demandred as a villain.
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[Mik's Warp] - Demandred is.....*click to find out* - 05/11/2012 01:06:42 PM 3254 Views
There are only 2 months left before AMOL comes out (or less)... - 05/11/2012 02:10:07 PM 1719 Views
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I applaud your effort, but to be honest I just can't see it - 07/11/2012 04:48:17 PM 1457 Views
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LIKE! *NM* - 09/12/2012 02:37:49 PM 1324 Views
Whoops *NM* - 06/11/2012 07:27:06 PM 830 Views
Plausible, albeit antilclimactic *NM* - 05/11/2012 06:32:38 PM 905 Views
Unless Mat is Demandred, at this point it will be anticlimactic. *NM* - 06/11/2012 04:02:38 AM 836 Views
That would be EPIC *NM* - 06/11/2012 07:53:30 PM 854 Views
That would be EPIC *NM* - 06/11/2012 07:53:31 PM 844 Views
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I don't know - 06/11/2012 02:01:41 AM 1375 Views
My prediction of how it plays out... - 06/11/2012 07:12:15 AM 1432 Views
I don't think that's likely - 06/11/2012 06:04:55 PM 1442 Views
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Re: I don't think that's likely - 06/11/2012 11:21:21 PM 1407 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely - 07/11/2012 08:14:28 PM 1485 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely - 07/11/2012 09:05:07 PM 1619 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely - 08/11/2012 05:52:16 PM 1407 Views
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Statistics refute some of that... - 09/11/2012 07:35:59 AM 1368 Views
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Re: It doesn't mean no one in this Age can be at Talented or Intelligent. - 10/11/2012 07:34:34 AM 1434 Views
You seriously believe that? - 10/11/2012 04:17:09 PM 1414 Views
Mat has grown quiet a bit since those days - 06/11/2012 01:55:48 AM 1524 Views
You're putting the Evil on a pedestal. - 06/11/2012 03:12:38 AM 1265 Views
No, just desperately trying to raise the stakes a bit... - 06/11/2012 07:00:59 AM 1442 Views
That's essentially what I was saying - 06/11/2012 03:35:45 PM 1538 Views
hmmm - 06/11/2012 10:27:00 AM 1756 Views
... is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky - 06/11/2012 08:45:02 PM 1535 Views
Mat is essentially the man (men) who wrote the books Demandred studied - 06/11/2012 10:42:40 PM 1332 Views
Exactly... - 06/11/2012 11:45:36 PM 1530 Views
... is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky - 06/11/2012 08:45:29 PM 1560 Views
I didn't try hard at all; Demandred found me... - 06/11/2012 03:31:41 PM 1599 Views
My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk - 06/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1469 Views
Re: My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk - 07/11/2012 12:07:02 AM 1551 Views
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Exactly! - 07/11/2012 10:54:14 AM 2081 Views
If he married Nynaeve and Moiraine he'd have his wives at Rand's side in the Pit too.... - 07/11/2012 03:28:38 PM 1498 Views
I find that approach unnecessarily convoluted. Just hit them with 1 billion Trollocs and crush them. - 08/11/2012 07:00:36 AM 1424 Views
Not likely he has that many... - 08/11/2012 03:00:32 PM 1368 Views
May I ask some practical questions? - 08/11/2012 05:28:41 PM 1341 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 08/11/2012 10:35:38 PM 1425 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 10/11/2012 12:09:15 AM 1372 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 10/11/2012 03:11:59 AM 1368 Views
LOL ... Seems more than a little far fetched *NM* - 10/11/2012 06:17:34 AM 789 Views
Well you asked for an explanation - 13/11/2012 10:23:41 PM 1270 Views
fair enough *NM* - 14/11/2012 01:31:52 AM 750 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 10/11/2012 07:15:58 PM 1390 Views
Exactly! - 11/11/2012 07:38:46 AM 1393 Views
Good practical questions... - 09/11/2012 07:24:14 AM 1418 Views
He doesn't need the SF for that - 09/11/2012 03:00:34 PM 1205 Views
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Re: Well, they hadn't planned on them being Traveling grounds as they didn't know about - 09/11/2012 09:03:14 PM 1374 Views
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Re: I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind. - 10/11/2012 10:08:04 PM 2907 Views
I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage - 11/11/2012 07:45:19 AM 1407 Views
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Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing - 12/11/2012 04:11:50 PM 1443 Views
Re: Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing - 12/11/2012 06:01:33 PM 1555 Views
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Re: Well there is also the fact that Harine pretty much tells us she MUST make a Bargain - 12/11/2012 09:30:57 PM 1389 Views
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Re: Not to belabor the point - 13/11/2012 12:46:21 AM 1311 Views
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no reason to *NM* - 14/11/2012 01:35:55 AM 769 Views
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This is preposterous - 07/11/2012 04:15:11 PM 1845 Views
Who? - 06/11/2012 07:29:46 PM 1341 Views
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