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Re: Tuon Zalvera Send a noteboard - 15/01/2013 03:33:34 PM
Its strange that some readers actually like Tuon... She's a monster and about as human as one of the Forsaken.


I used to really like her. But Jordan's Tuon and Sanderson's Fortuona literally read like two different people. Tuon was clever and honorable, cared passionately about justice and was, occasionally, kind. Fortuona is a power-hungry megalomaniac, makes stupid impulsive decisions and is apparently devoid of human emotion. I can't figure out if Sanderson is just that bad at writing her character or he dislikes the Seanchan enough that it's what he really thinks of her.
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Somehow, I Actually Hate Faile MORE Now Joel - 14/01/2013 12:16:05 PM 3389 Views
Faile made Perrin less interesting Isaac - 14/01/2013 01:15:22 PM 1355 Views
She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:38:29 PM 1452 Views
I skipped those chapters during my re-read The Doctor - 14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM 1677 Views
I do not blame you, but that practically means skipping TPoD through KoD. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:16:17 AM 1249 Views
Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Zalvera - 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM 1328 Views
You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters. Tom - 15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM 1277 Views
I think this is why I still enjoy Rand as a character so much IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 03:37:52 AM 1226 Views
There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM 1382 Views
Though I too have wished for them to make really hard choices... Cannoli - 15/01/2013 09:37:34 AM 1352 Views
But they DO make hard choices; they just face relatively few hard consequences. Joel - 15/01/2013 10:08:19 AM 1213 Views
Rand certainly flirted with the moral Event Horizon a few times, so did some of the others Isaac - 15/01/2013 10:33:23 AM 1357 Views
Mostly it's because it's clear in RJ's eyes that doing something like the things you suggest is wron IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 12:41:03 PM 1252 Views
You obviously have a much lower threshold than I do in defining "hard choices". *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 03:47:52 PM 661 Views
We are introduced to them as they choose between abandoning home w/ a stranger v. staying to die Joel - 15/01/2013 04:46:02 PM 1239 Views
Joel, I just said I disagreed with you. I didn't want to debate this series for the sake of debate. *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 05:43:55 PM 620 Views
Also, how is choosing not to die a hard choice? Tom - 15/01/2013 05:46:46 PM 1103 Views
Because they had only a strange witchs word they would die, and leaving w/ her was perilous, too. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:17:16 PM 1118 Views
And a trolloc attack Tom - 16/01/2013 02:28:00 PM 1109 Views
True, but there was considerable debate about who brought whom. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:41:35 PM 1263 Views
Jordan said he put some of himself in all the ta'veren, but its clearly strongest with Perrin. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:27:10 AM 1280 Views
I'm glad you have seen the Truth. Tom - 14/01/2013 01:35:36 PM 1350 Views
It was neck and neck with her and Min for a long while, but Min finally saw past her own nose. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:09:13 PM 1232 Views
I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly. Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM 1316 Views
Works for me. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:13:16 AM 2236 Views
In all fairness Egwene did in fact pay homage to Bela darius_sedai - 14/01/2013 08:36:40 PM 1195 Views
Bela has been there for Egwene all the time. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2013 10:16:22 PM 1428 Views
Egwene and Bela Aes_Gesserit - 15/01/2013 08:13:17 AM 1159 Views
I thought Noal was riding Bela... *NM* Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:56 PM 615 Views
I did, too, at first, but "horse"=/="pony." Joel - 15/01/2013 06:08:03 AM 1138 Views
I think she fed her an apple once in TV or somewhere, too, but otherwise she ignored her. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:12:26 AM 1347 Views
Dramatic much? Bella lived a good life in TV and later in Salidar darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:54:15 AM 8003 Views
Actually, I never understood why people LOVE that horse so much. She is just a horse! *NM* aragornital - 15/01/2013 07:52:29 AM 679 Views
Pony. She is a pony. A loyal, goodnatured, overperforming and underappreciated pony. Joel - 15/01/2013 08:32:21 AM 1278 Views
honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered? darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM 1304 Views
The whole series is based upon the love of Bela and Narg and her struggle to come to terms with his MightyYT - 16/01/2013 04:01:59 AM 1113 Views
The real problem echooff - 15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM 1269 Views
Faile will surely domineer someone into pulling Tams carts for him. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:04:35 PM 1167 Views
The women in WoT are monsters Sidious - 15/01/2013 11:59:39 AM 1661 Views
I do not consider most of the others all that bad, just idiosyncratic. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:05:51 PM 1454 Views
Oh...I think we know :-) *NM* echooff - 16/01/2013 04:31:18 PM 710 Views
I try to give them, or rather her, the benefit of a doubt. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:48:22 PM 1116 Views
Re: Tuon Zalvera - 15/01/2013 03:33:34 PM 1401 Views
I had not noticed that before, but you are right. Joel - 15/01/2013 07:45:53 PM 1151 Views
I agree completely... lilltempest - 15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM 1419 Views
Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM 1280 Views
Agreed ... Nynaeve and Lan are the closest thing to "Healthy" in the series darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:09:29 AM 1123 Views
Tell me then... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM 1176 Views
That's a fallacious question Tom - 18/01/2013 03:21:56 PM 1267 Views
Are you saying... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM 1170 Views
That is a pathetic answer. Tom - 19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM 1150 Views
You're a pathetic ass Nargs - 19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM 1116 Views
LOL - that's funny, coming from you, one of the most pathetic fanboys around here. *NM* Tom - 19/01/2013 02:32:18 PM 594 Views
Sad for you. *NM* Nargs - 19/01/2013 09:24:59 PM 621 Views
Oh, gosh, this could take a while. Joel - 18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM 1227 Views
How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death? Zeratul - 19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM 1120 Views
Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped Joel - 19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM 1032 Views
Her kidnapping... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM 1090 Views
I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way. ) Joel - 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM 1153 Views
No it wasn't ... The dreamspike plot would have happened even had she not been kidnapped darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:24:25 AM 1115 Views
Exactly Zeratul - 20/01/2013 06:59:33 PM 1399 Views
Wow... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:49:56 AM 1187 Views
Culture is sometimes a reason, but never an excuse. Joel - 19/01/2013 08:04:52 PM 1168 Views
Just off color Nargs - 19/01/2013 10:03:58 PM 1297 Views
? Joel - 19/01/2013 10:44:28 PM 1194 Views
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