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True, but there was considerable debate about who brought whom. Joel Send a noteboard - 16/01/2013 04:41:35 PM
No one had even seen trollocs for centuries there and all of a sudden they appeared. You'd have to be brain damaged not to trust the Aes Sedai (recognized as powerful channelers) and get the Hell out of Emond's Field. It would be like having jihadis show up in the Midwest and start trying to kill you, and a CIA team says they're you're only hope of survival because the jihadis think you insulted the Prophet.

That analogy works a little better as some rural enclave in Alabama, where the local survivalists insist they saw black helicopters scouting for the jihadis.

Many of the main characters' choices were far from cut and dried, but so long as they made the "right" one they suffered few significantly bad consequences, and I still believe that denied them developmental opportunities more than the choices themselves did. The end of Perrins arc is a good example: Faced with a choice between defending Rand or rescuing Faile or Rand he finally makes the right for the right reasons, even at the cost of his wife. That could have been a great chance for him to learn the value of great personal sacrifice, deciding WHICH loss to suffer rather than WHETHER to suffer any, how to accept and cope with what he had to give up to do his duty, save the world and stay alive.

Yet in the end, though he NEARLY loses Faile, he plays the faithful sidekick AND gets the girl. No one dies except the unappreciated (but far more faithful) pony thrown in (apparently) for no reason but to be very appealing so readers get very attached and the authors can twist a knife in them with her vicious killing.
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Somehow, I Actually Hate Faile MORE Now - 14/01/2013 12:16:05 PM 3441 Views
Faile made Perrin less interesting - 14/01/2013 01:15:22 PM 1387 Views
She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. - 14/01/2013 02:38:29 PM 1485 Views
I skipped those chapters during my re-read - 14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM 1712 Views
Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. - 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM 1358 Views
You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters. - 15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM 1309 Views
I think this is why I still enjoy Rand as a character so much - 15/01/2013 03:37:52 AM 1255 Views
There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better. - 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM 1414 Views
You obviously have a much lower threshold than I do in defining "hard choices". *NM* - 15/01/2013 03:47:52 PM 678 Views
We are introduced to them as they choose between abandoning home w/ a stranger v. staying to die - 15/01/2013 04:46:02 PM 1273 Views
Also, how is choosing not to die a hard choice? - 15/01/2013 05:46:46 PM 1132 Views
Because they had only a strange witchs word they would die, and leaving w/ her was perilous, too. - 15/01/2013 06:17:16 PM 1158 Views
And a trolloc attack - 16/01/2013 02:28:00 PM 1138 Views
True, but there was considerable debate about who brought whom. - 16/01/2013 04:41:35 PM 1292 Views
I'm glad you have seen the Truth. - 14/01/2013 01:35:36 PM 1384 Views
It was neck and neck with her and Min for a long while, but Min finally saw past her own nose. - 14/01/2013 02:09:13 PM 1263 Views
I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly. - 14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM 1350 Views
Works for me. - 15/01/2013 06:13:16 AM 2269 Views
In all fairness Egwene did in fact pay homage to Bela - 14/01/2013 08:36:40 PM 1229 Views
Bela has been there for Egwene all the time. - 14/01/2013 10:16:22 PM 1451 Views
Egwene and Bela - 15/01/2013 08:13:17 AM 1191 Views
I thought Noal was riding Bela... *NM* - 14/01/2013 10:47:56 PM 628 Views
I did, too, at first, but "horse"=/="pony." - 15/01/2013 06:08:03 AM 1172 Views
The real problem - 15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM 1304 Views
The women in WoT are monsters - 15/01/2013 11:59:39 AM 1697 Views
I do not consider most of the others all that bad, just idiosyncratic. - 15/01/2013 03:05:51 PM 1486 Views
Oh...I think we know :-) *NM* - 16/01/2013 04:31:18 PM 719 Views
I try to give them, or rather her, the benefit of a doubt. - 16/01/2013 04:48:22 PM 1153 Views
Re: Tuon - 15/01/2013 03:33:34 PM 1440 Views
I had not noticed that before, but you are right. - 15/01/2013 07:45:53 PM 1185 Views
I agree completely... - 15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM 1450 Views
Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power - 20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM 1318 Views
Agreed ... Nynaeve and Lan are the closest thing to "Healthy" in the series - 20/01/2013 01:09:29 AM 1161 Views
Tell me then... - 18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM 1203 Views
That's a fallacious question - 18/01/2013 03:21:56 PM 1299 Views
Are you saying... - 18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM 1201 Views
That is a pathetic answer. - 19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM 1183 Views
You're a pathetic ass - 19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM 1146 Views
LOL - that's funny, coming from you, one of the most pathetic fanboys around here. *NM* - 19/01/2013 02:32:18 PM 608 Views
Sad for you. *NM* - 19/01/2013 09:24:59 PM 630 Views
Oh, gosh, this could take a while. - 18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM 1258 Views
How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death? - 19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM 1151 Views
Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped - 19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM 1068 Views
Her kidnapping... - 19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM 1125 Views
I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way. ) - 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM 1187 Views
No it wasn't ... The dreamspike plot would have happened even had she not been kidnapped - 20/01/2013 01:24:25 AM 1142 Views
Exactly - 20/01/2013 06:59:33 PM 1433 Views
Wow... - 19/01/2013 01:49:56 AM 1219 Views
Culture is sometimes a reason, but never an excuse. - 19/01/2013 08:04:52 PM 1205 Views
Just off color - 19/01/2013 10:03:58 PM 1329 Views
? - 19/01/2013 10:44:28 PM 1238 Views

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