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Possible, yet we know there are also "arms men" throughout every nobles lands darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 19/10/2016 04:38:39 AM

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The Seanchan don't seem to do this that I recall. Tylee and Egeanin don't seem to be looked at as men. The Seanchan just seem to rigidly stick to their caste system with no regard to male/female beyond the normal interplay.


Yeah, they take it to a whole other degree that the gender issues don't come into play so much.
Aside from being Empress, damane or Sul'dam there doesn't seem to be any difference for males and females within their society. Everything else seems (at least at surface level) to be based on a meritocracy of sorts.
Even the Empress. There might not have been any men for centuries, but no one seems to take Galgan's gender into consideration next to his ambitions, nor was there any mention of that with Turak. A man with his professed lack of ambition, who feared any action being interpreted as ambition, would have made a big thing about his sex removing him from consideration. And Tuon's brothers seem just as deep in the competition as her sisters.
In the Westlands I think there are many men who have experience with the sword in non-military capacity. I think it's Pevara who notes that a boy of 13 would be receiving training if he was from a noble family. I would imagine that most non-noble boys around them who were of similar age would also learn the basics so the young lord would have some sparring partners in his own age group, so I can see how there would be plenty of men who learned enough to have issues unlearning.

IDK, part of the bit about being aristocrats was the skills that separated them from the commoners. The origins of the aristocratic distinction is that they had the time and resources to train at war, while the commoners had to throw everything into producing the necessary goods for survival. Even if nobles had lesser-birth companions as children, the practice of arms is one area where the line would be drawn. Granted, WoT is at the stage where those distinctions are becoming moot, and there is a rising middle class on the verge of breaking out, but that means there are also far more profitable and productive things to be putting boys to work at, and the martial practices are even less well-regarded. At an earlier stage of societal development, parents would have embraced any opportunity for a boy to train at arms, because it was a way into the elite. Now, when they can get rich, it isn't worth the trouble.


Which speaks to some general training as militia in many districts throughout the main continent. For the most part the majority of the nations have small formal military but have reservist style troops who likely spend the majority of their time as farmers or in a trade of some sort. I would say that these are the men most likely being referred to here as they would have received various levels of informal training.

As to the Seanchan ... mostly agree, but I do think it says somethign that only women have held the throne for centuries. Seems more akin to the Queens of Andor coming to prominence originally from a lack of male heirs, but also aligns well with the general gender role reversal RJ was building for the majority of societies. In his reality men committed the "original sin" and thus had a generally lower place in most societies. Even when it was relatively low key.

Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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