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It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM
Foretelling always happens. Always Just like with Min's visions. Sometimes there's an if/than statement (Min's definitely had those, I forget if Elaida has, it's been implied that Gitara did), but if something is Foretold to happen, it'll happen.


So, it makes this conversation kind of iffy. If Moiraine hadn't come, it stands to reason that Rand would have been declared in some other way. Or perhaps it is because of Moiraine's natural stubborness and drive that this was Foretold.

All those other realities couldn't have happened, for the very reason that Rand wasn't the proclaimed Dragon in them.


I amuse myself.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1578 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 829 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 794 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 744 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 824 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 844 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 815 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1031 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 747 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 358 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 795 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 661 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 848 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 921 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 680 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 344 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 733 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 681 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 687 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 814 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 708 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 751 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 696 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 830 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 620 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 720 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 713 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 675 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 706 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 650 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 674 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 780 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 349 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 951 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 810 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 715 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 728 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 779 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 684 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 339 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 946 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 761 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 634 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 854 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 327 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 772 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 729 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 740 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 676 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 792 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 855 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 820 Views
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