Active Users:891 Time:15/02/2026 06:37:25 AM
Difference between being dangerous and hard to kill--but, she is dangerous LordScimitar Send a noteboard - 08/11/2009 02:19:34 AM
He wasn't necessarily afraid of her being killed by her in direct battle. Just in confronting her she'd slip away. Or have a trap set. Basically, however he fought her, he'd either only catch air, or he'd have to go into a trap.

Think of a porcupine in a hole. And you have a sword. Yeah, with a sword, the average human is easily going to kill a porcupine. But, either it'll slip away from you, or hole up and you have to go into it's hole.

I'd rather face a deadlier animal with a sword, like a wolf. Wolf deadlier than porcupine. But, porcupine might be harder to kill because of it's unwillingness to fight and going into a defensive hole.

...Porcupine might not have been the best example.

HOWEVER...

Lanfear. AKA Cyndane. Weaker as Cyndane. Enough to make a HUGE difference. No. Cyndane, who fought Alivia, who if not as strong as Graendal is as strong as Mesaana/Semirhage. With an angreal that made Egwene (or was it Elayne?) stronger than Nynaeave. And a host of other ter'angreal. Who nearly killed that Alivia with all those disadvantages.

Moghedian. Strong. Weakest of the Forsaken, but still a Forsaken. Very good with compulsion.

Graendal faced them both and had them both Compelled before Shaidar Haran stepped in. Compelling=defeating. That's pretty impressive.

And, Rand's scared of Saidin at that point. Will LT get it first? Can he kill her? Will he be hard enough to hurt a woman? Pre-Semirhage, he knew he wouldn't. She could have him compelled before he got a chance. Post-Semirhage, he knew he wouldn't hesitate.

So, in a straight up battle, not the most dangerous. But, still, incredibly fast compelling. I'd rate Lanfear as more dangerous but Graendal DID beat her.

But, there's only one way to fight Graendal before he just did the massive balefire: On her terms. Where she could flee or have all sorts of traps set.

I'd be more afraid to face, say, Mike Tyson in a fist fight than say...Kurt Angle (Olympic WRESTLER, but still a strong guy and tough. No boxer, but still very athletic and tough). But, if I went up against Kurt Angle knowing I'd be drug or he might be heading brass knuckles under his gloves, Mike Tyson's looking to be a better choice. And that's what Semirhage is. Strong enough to be worried about, but with the bonus of any fight with her being "rigged", more dangerous.
Reply to message
Graendal - maybe the deadliest Forsaken - 05/11/2009 07:00:12 AM 1857 Views
It has definitely been hinted - 05/11/2009 08:37:04 AM 914 Views
Graendal wasn't that deadly... - 05/11/2009 09:37:24 AM 959 Views
I think she was - 05/11/2009 02:42:48 PM 807 Views
RJ still put her in the top category of the Forsaken.. - 05/11/2009 05:24:06 PM 892 Views
I think she's the most deadly and intelligent. The others are idiots, IMHO. - 05/11/2009 06:38:30 PM 823 Views
This whole Graendal is alive-idea - 05/11/2009 07:13:16 PM 843 Views
I'm divided on it.. - 05/11/2009 07:19:07 PM 766 Views
Here's the deal, though. Semirhage actions actually followed part of the theory to a tee. - 05/11/2009 07:21:21 PM 784 Views
Ah, anyway... - 05/11/2009 07:58:05 PM 715 Views
I agree with you - 05/11/2009 07:32:39 PM 796 Views
Exactly. - 05/11/2009 07:56:00 PM 1015 Views
I just don't understand the logic here - 05/11/2009 07:25:20 PM 839 Views
It's quite simple logic. - 05/11/2009 08:05:15 PM 895 Views
Then how did she do it? - 05/11/2009 09:41:53 PM 750 Views
Re: Then how did she do it? - 05/11/2009 10:58:01 PM 711 Views
Re: Then how did she do it? - 05/11/2009 11:58:24 PM 838 Views
Re: Then how did she do it? - 06/11/2009 02:22:51 PM 766 Views
It is a possibility. - 06/11/2009 03:43:22 AM 718 Views
Hmm, I have some problems with this - 06/11/2009 04:23:23 AM 848 Views
Some points no one addressed, a.k.a. Graendal lured Rand in... - 06/11/2009 05:16:12 AM 825 Views
Still no answers. I think I'm correct in feeling she is alive. *NM* - 06/11/2009 09:25:47 PM 306 Views
Re: Hmm, I have some problems with this - 06/11/2009 02:34:54 PM 811 Views
But... - 06/11/2009 02:56:32 PM 770 Views
Re: But... - 06/11/2009 03:07:02 PM 779 Views
Re: But... - 06/11/2009 03:53:41 PM 955 Views
Re: But... - 06/11/2009 07:35:12 PM 725 Views
She's definitely the deadiest - 05/11/2009 02:05:23 PM 841 Views
I think she escaped, but it says something that he had to become worse than a Forsaken to do it - 05/11/2009 06:10:08 PM 757 Views
Eventually they will be reborn... - 05/11/2009 06:30:45 PM 673 Views
Thanks for reminding me. Oh well, then I'm stuck with the whole tearing apart the Pattern thing - 05/11/2009 06:44:35 PM 711 Views
Moiraine says. - 05/11/2009 07:02:10 PM 735 Views
In this case, Moiraine's comment doesn't really matter. - 05/11/2009 07:14:44 PM 739 Views
Re: In this case, Moiraine's comment doesn't really matter. - 05/11/2009 07:35:18 PM 826 Views
From what I keep hearing - 05/11/2009 08:58:57 PM 748 Views
I could well believe it - 05/11/2009 11:03:40 PM 682 Views
Re: In this case, Moiraine's comment doesn't really matter. - 06/11/2009 09:00:01 PM 622 Views
I conceed to Rand's point - 05/11/2009 06:31:38 PM 842 Views
I don't think it's acceptable to tear apart the Pattern to save it. - 05/11/2009 06:40:22 PM 667 Views
True... - 05/11/2009 06:57:24 PM 702 Views
Re: True... - 05/11/2009 07:07:07 PM 695 Views
Re: True... - 05/11/2009 07:35:06 PM 745 Views
Re: True... - 05/11/2009 08:07:42 PM 697 Views
I always thought she was the most dangerous of the chicks. - 06/11/2009 04:28:43 AM 818 Views
Difference between being dangerous and hard to kill--but, she is dangerous - 08/11/2009 02:19:34 AM 774 Views
Semirhage did far more destruction than Graendal. - 24/11/2009 06:09:18 PM 804 Views
Graendal also made chaos in Shara, though... - 24/11/2009 06:36:15 PM 620 Views
It's not surprising when you start looking at her parallels - 12/12/2009 01:03:25 AM 616 Views
Not to take away from Graendal, but my vote goes to Semirhage or Aginor - 16/12/2009 07:03:52 PM 635 Views
meh - 19/12/2009 11:56:12 PM 643 Views

Reply to Message