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Re: I disagree with prety much everything Cannoli Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 05:45:14 AM
Almost enough collateral damage to break the Pattern and let the DO win without a fight. Seems kind of evil to me.
Quantity is irrelevant when taking a human life. Otherwise, if ten guys were about to kill a baby, how could you justify killing them all to save it? Ten lives next to one? It is the situation that determines if it is murder or not.

As for the Borderlanders, you're missing the real reason he wanted to blast them. It wasn't because they had abandoned their post and were leaving their people to die, or that they were trying to trap Rand in a box. It was merely the fact that anyone would go against what he wished, that was why he was going to rain fire on them, not to kill them, but to teach them not to go against him. Seems pretty evil to me.
And why would he think that? Because he is the Dragon Reborn and is trying to fight for all of humanity against the Dark One. The right to kill recalcitrant or disobediant soldiers has long been a morally accepted position for superior officers. Some armies in particular might choose to limit this prerogative, but that is simply a matter of institutional preference. Even if we stipulate that Rand's motives might not be the purest, the situation is perfectly justified.

The threat to Cadsuane is also somewhat evil, there's no need for him to threaten her with death.
I think he was warning her, not threatening her. She was interfering in his chain of command, took it upon herself to take over certain issues and failed in her responsibility. He did not kill her on the spot, but he did forbid her on pain of death from interfering with her anymore. Aes Sedai play all sorts of word games, and thanks the Three Oaths, have forfeited any trust, so it made it simple.

I like how you want to gloss over the most evil of his acts, almost killing his father
So you admit that the most evil thing he did, was only something he ALMOST did? In other words, he didn't actually DO this thing? I rest my case!

for no reason other than the fact that Cadsuane was the one who brought him in.
Highly suspicious circumstances, no? He knows she's trying to screw with his head and it is unwelcome. She has no right to do it. He had a legitimate cause for suspicion when Tam admitted that he was brought in by someone Rand sees as an enemy, who was coaching him on what to say.

Rand barely stops himself, and then almost goes off and does something as bad if not worse. He decided he was going to wipe out the Seanchan invasion using balefire and the CK.
INVASION. What the hell is giving you a mental block here? They made themselves liable to death by setting foot on the shore. Or do you want him to get more of his people killed fighting them off? And how many more chances is he supposed to give them after they rejected his peace overtures?

If he had actually gone through with his plans he likely would have unraveled the Pattern bringing about the DO's victory. Again his motivation to destroy the Seanchan is not to protect his flanks, but because they dared to not do exactly as he said when he said it.
They destroyed multiple AoL cities (millions of people) before reaching that point last time.

Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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Rand is NOT evil in tGS, nor does he do any evil - 14/11/2009 12:26:27 AM 1347 Views
That is nonsense... - 14/11/2009 12:47:22 AM 737 Views
Re: That is nonsense... - 14/11/2009 05:30:01 AM 620 Views
So what? - 14/11/2009 09:28:49 AM 684 Views
Re: So what? - 15/11/2009 12:17:54 AM 619 Views
Laughable - 15/11/2009 03:36:36 PM 570 Views
Chasing you with an army is not hostile? - 19/11/2009 12:59:52 AM 486 Views
Sorry... gotta disagree. - 14/11/2009 01:09:30 AM 659 Views
Re: Sorry... gotta disagree. - 14/11/2009 03:49:49 AM 609 Views
Even if it's not thousands of lives. Stalin got it right. - 14/11/2009 05:33:05 AM 481 Views
I think the thousands would disagree - as would the one. *NM* - 25/11/2009 08:19:47 AM 230 Views
Mad, threatening, bad-tempered and cold, but not evil... - 14/11/2009 01:43:12 AM 589 Views
I disagree with prety much everything - 14/11/2009 03:10:12 AM 588 Views
Re: I disagree with prety much everything - 14/11/2009 05:45:14 AM 656 Views
Why in the world is quantity irrelevant? - 14/11/2009 06:01:13 AM 443 Views
A murderer is evil. What difference does it make how many? That's just degrees. There's no OK number - 14/11/2009 07:22:47 AM 524 Views
Ok, let's take this a step further - 14/11/2009 09:45:50 PM 477 Views
Re: Ok, let's take this a step further - 15/11/2009 12:23:05 AM 579 Views
Tried AGAIN? Serial killing indicates a tendancy. - 25/11/2009 08:23:39 AM 478 Views
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I think you're confusing "evil" with "risky" - 15/11/2009 12:48:21 AM 621 Views
Re: I disagree with prety much everything - 15/11/2009 07:04:16 AM 520 Views
What Rand did that was evil. - 14/11/2009 04:06:17 AM 572 Views
I don't see Arad Doman - 14/11/2009 04:57:20 AM 477 Views
Take up the Dragon's burden... - 14/11/2009 07:56:46 AM 679 Views
A wonderful commentary on 'nation building' too, I suppose - 14/11/2009 08:22:46 AM 670 Views
Priorities. - 14/11/2009 07:52:06 AM 644 Views
Perhaps - 14/11/2009 09:43:51 PM 670 Views
Re: Perhaps - 24/11/2009 08:28:56 PM 590 Views
I don't think he was evil - 14/11/2009 08:10:56 AM 611 Views

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