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Perhaps RabidWombat Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 09:43:51 PM
What Rand did that was evil was that he abandoned Arad Doman. Other then that he did nothing evil exactly but came very close.
He did what he could. He had other priorities, and the Domani were not shaping up. At some point, people have to step up and handle things themselves. Sure their country was screwed up, but he tried his best, got next to no cooperation, and how much food is he supposed to donate anyway? He brought them a ton and gave it to them for free! Is he supposed to reduce Tear & Illian to the level of Arad Domon to feed the Domani? At some point practicality has to rear its head too. He has a war to fight. He can't keep taking food out of the mouths of those who are serving him usefully to give to those who are no use.


Perhaps it wasn't evil but it was very callous. Leaders in war have to make tough decisions. Tens of thousands of people will die because of this decision, unless the Seanchen can come in quickly or some other agency hears about it with the power to help. Perhaps the seafolk will realize that using gateways to transport the goods would be faster.

Rand's destruction of Graendal's lair, while evil in peacetime, is necessary in war. It is no worse then the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the firebombings of Tokyo and Dresden, which were in some ways worse then the A-Bomb. (One could argue that they prolonged the war instead of ending it.) The death of Greandal could very easily end the war and famine in Arad Doman.
Actually, I hold that NONE of those bombings were necessary. They were random acts of destruction, with no real military purpose behind them. Rand used precision and verified his target's presence before shooting. Long before Dresden the Allies knew how inaccurate their bombing really was. As one export put it, they were not actually fighting, they were simply exporting explosives, without a care where they landed. And there were simply no targets of a level of Graendal to justify the kind of collateral destruction done in the bombings.


I won't argue against you since it really is not my point. The bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are believed by many to have ended the war. That is the analogy, that I was trying to get at. There are plenty of people who disagree that they ended the war. But very few of those people would say that Truman was evil for ordering the attack. The attack may be evil, but those who ordered it and implemented it, truly believed that it would save more lives on both sides then it ended. I am not trying to prove that what Rand did was the correct thing to do. (That would be too hard.) I am only trying to show that he wasn't evil to do it.

Few historians would argue that the firebombings helped end the war. They attacked no military targets and were designed only for terror. From a military point of view, the trouble with terrorism is that sometimes it stiffens the resolve of the opponent rather then weakening it. That definitely happened with Germany. Terror has always been a part of war. Those who defend it defend it on the basis that it can under certain circumstances save more civilian lives then it destroys. (I am not certain that I agree with that or that it is worth the other costs; I am not a military historian, though.)

In any case, though, few people would argue that those who killed the thousands of civilians in Tokyo were evil. The same argument applies to Rand.
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