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I don't think I would put too much faith in that.... Light in the Night Send a noteboard - 15/11/2009 09:32:22 PM
..a few days after reading it I still had the urge to tear the page out of the book! But Rand's logic really does make sense. Graendal is smarter than him. He needs to seize any advantage he has immediately. How would you have stopped Graendal in Rand's shoes?


Rand should have disguised himself as Ramshalan, and gone into Graendal's lair with the exact same message.

He goes in holding saidin, however. Now, if things went as he expected (and they did), Graendal would attempt to compel "Ramshalan". This will immediately let Rand know he is in her presence, even if she is disguised. Since he is already holding saidin, he'll be immune to her compulsions, as Sammael said.

He then surprises her and balefires her.

End of story. Forsaken dead beyond the Dark One's grasp, and no other threads of the Pattern Balefired.


Moghedien was holding the Source when she and Cyndane visited Graendal. (In fact, she had just channeled the lights out in the room, causing Graendal to attack.) Graendal successfully snared both Moggy and Cyndane with her weave of Compulsion.

That this scene comes after Sammael's pov, I believe RJ was proving his statement wrong, and Sammael had a false sense of self-security, IMO.
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So what was the point of a certain member of the Forsaken? Shannow - 13/11/2009 12:04:20 PM 1573 Views
Wait until Towers of Midnight. lord-of-shadow - 13/11/2009 02:04:23 PM 1210 Views
Not exactly.... Light in the Night - 13/11/2009 10:55:57 PM 960 Views
Clickety click guttering flame - 13/11/2009 03:04:37 PM 1030 Views
RAFO *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 04:34:10 PM 399 Views
She made all of Rand's subsequent chapter's suspensful, IMO Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:31:49 PM 999 Views
I was disapointed too and needless to say, shocked. *NM* Onarishma - 14/11/2009 09:31:45 AM 386 Views
I was initially... Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 02:03:14 AM 831 Views
Oh it made sense just so unexpected. Graendal and Semirhage. Onarishma - 15/11/2009 01:27:17 PM 788 Views
Here's what I would have done... Shannow - 15/11/2009 02:45:32 PM 840 Views
Rand is not Dumbledore guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:10:58 PM 851 Views
Sorry, haven't read any Harry Potter books, so I have no clue what you're referring to. Shannow - 15/11/2009 03:13:32 PM 857 Views
Gateway blocking sphere? Sidious - 15/11/2009 03:28:09 PM 803 Views
We don't actually know that... Shannow - 15/11/2009 04:05:10 PM 876 Views
Re: We don't actually know that... Sidious - 15/11/2009 06:02:28 PM 875 Views
From Question of the week 14 Shannow - 15/11/2009 07:34:19 PM 831 Views
Disagree Sidious - 15/11/2009 08:14:28 PM 865 Views
What if he makes multiple gateways at the same time? Shannow - 15/11/2009 08:21:48 PM 825 Views
I agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 08:50:54 PM 348 Views
But RJ answered this Sidious - 15/11/2009 09:47:57 PM 872 Views
You're ignoring a key sentence... fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 09:58:03 PM 876 Views
Re: You're ignoring a key sentence... Sidious - 16/11/2009 06:47:47 AM 879 Views
The issue is that it is easier to make a gateway than to block one - individually. Shannow - 15/11/2009 10:04:22 PM 925 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 16/11/2009 07:12:05 AM 1032 Views
Problem is... Shannow - 16/11/2009 07:45:41 AM 826 Views
I agree with Sidious... Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 04:12:04 PM 826 Views
The quote exists. I'll get it for you and post it in a couple of hours. Gotta go to church now. Shannow - 15/11/2009 04:13:35 PM 797 Views
Ok, later Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 04:17:07 PM 841 Views
Here's the full quote, from Question of the Week 14. Shannow - 15/11/2009 07:30:29 PM 901 Views
Here's the way he should have done it... fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 06:19:18 PM 803 Views
I don't think I would put too much faith in that.... Light in the Night - 15/11/2009 09:32:22 PM 863 Views
Moghedien and Cyndane didn't attack Graendal, in fact... Shannow - 15/11/2009 09:36:03 PM 970 Views
That wasn't what I said.... Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 12:42:53 AM 774 Views
Re: That wasn't what I said.... Sidious - 16/11/2009 07:14:08 AM 1152 Views
I guess you could see it that way Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 08:48:23 PM 888 Views
My bad... fionwe1987 - 16/11/2009 02:22:35 AM 785 Views
She killed Asmodean, didn't she? Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 01:58:40 AM 826 Views
Moridin used her Lord Haart - 15/11/2009 06:54:59 PM 825 Views
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