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Moghedien and Cyndane didn't attack Graendal, in fact... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/11/2009 09:36:03 PM
..a few days after reading it I still had the urge to tear the page out of the book! But Rand's logic really does make sense. Graendal is smarter than him. He needs to seize any advantage he has immediately. How would you have stopped Graendal in Rand's shoes?


Rand should have disguised himself as Ramshalan, and gone into Graendal's lair with the exact same message.

He goes in holding saidin, however. Now, if things went as he expected (and they did), Graendal would attempt to compel "Ramshalan". This will immediately let Rand know he is in her presence, even if she is disguised. Since he is already holding saidin, he'll be immune to her compulsions, as Sammael said.

He then surprises her and balefires her.

End of story. Forsaken dead beyond the Dark One's grasp, and no other threads of the Pattern Balefired.


Moghedien was holding the Source when she and Cyndane visited Graendal. (In fact, she had just channeled the lights out in the room, causing Graendal to attack.) Graendal successfully snared both Moggy and Cyndane with her weave of Compulsion.

That this scene comes after Sammael's pov, I believe RJ was proving his statement wrong, and Sammael had a false sense of self-security, IMO.


They were probably under strict orders not to engage her in battle. They only created the Shadows to allow Shaidar Haran to Travel to that location.

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I was disapointed too and needless to say, shocked. *NM* Onarishma - 14/11/2009 09:31:45 AM 235 Views
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Oh it made sense just so unexpected. Graendal and Semirhage. Onarishma - 15/11/2009 01:27:17 PM 459 Views
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Sorry, haven't read any Harry Potter books, so I have no clue what you're referring to. Shannow - 15/11/2009 03:13:32 PM 499 Views
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You're ignoring a key sentence... fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 09:58:03 PM 553 Views
Re: You're ignoring a key sentence... Sidious - 16/11/2009 06:47:47 AM 523 Views
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The quote exists. I'll get it for you and post it in a couple of hours. Gotta go to church now. Shannow - 15/11/2009 04:13:35 PM 489 Views
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Here's the full quote, from Question of the Week 14. Shannow - 15/11/2009 07:30:29 PM 557 Views
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Moghedien and Cyndane didn't attack Graendal, in fact... Shannow - 15/11/2009 09:36:03 PM 617 Views
That wasn't what I said.... Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 12:42:53 AM 461 Views
Re: That wasn't what I said.... Sidious - 16/11/2009 07:14:08 AM 810 Views
I guess you could see it that way Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 08:48:23 PM 561 Views
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She killed Asmodean, didn't she? Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 01:58:40 AM 511 Views
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