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Moghedien and Cyndane didn't attack Graendal, in fact... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/11/2009 09:36:03 PM
..a few days after reading it I still had the urge to tear the page out of the book! But Rand's logic really does make sense. Graendal is smarter than him. He needs to seize any advantage he has immediately. How would you have stopped Graendal in Rand's shoes?


Rand should have disguised himself as Ramshalan, and gone into Graendal's lair with the exact same message.

He goes in holding saidin, however. Now, if things went as he expected (and they did), Graendal would attempt to compel "Ramshalan". This will immediately let Rand know he is in her presence, even if she is disguised. Since he is already holding saidin, he'll be immune to her compulsions, as Sammael said.

He then surprises her and balefires her.

End of story. Forsaken dead beyond the Dark One's grasp, and no other threads of the Pattern Balefired.


Moghedien was holding the Source when she and Cyndane visited Graendal. (In fact, she had just channeled the lights out in the room, causing Graendal to attack.) Graendal successfully snared both Moggy and Cyndane with her weave of Compulsion.

That this scene comes after Sammael's pov, I believe RJ was proving his statement wrong, and Sammael had a false sense of self-security, IMO.


They were probably under strict orders not to engage her in battle. They only created the Shadows to allow Shaidar Haran to Travel to that location.

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So what was the point of a certain member of the Forsaken? Shannow - 13/11/2009 12:04:20 PM 1457 Views
Wait until Towers of Midnight. lord-of-shadow - 13/11/2009 02:04:23 PM 1110 Views
Not exactly.... Light in the Night - 13/11/2009 10:55:57 PM 863 Views
Clickety click guttering flame - 13/11/2009 03:04:37 PM 932 Views
RAFO *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 04:34:10 PM 363 Views
She made all of Rand's subsequent chapter's suspensful, IMO Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:31:49 PM 899 Views
I was disapointed too and needless to say, shocked. *NM* Onarishma - 14/11/2009 09:31:45 AM 346 Views
I was initially... Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 02:03:14 AM 742 Views
Oh it made sense just so unexpected. Graendal and Semirhage. Onarishma - 15/11/2009 01:27:17 PM 704 Views
Here's what I would have done... Shannow - 15/11/2009 02:45:32 PM 732 Views
Rand is not Dumbledore guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:10:58 PM 738 Views
Sorry, haven't read any Harry Potter books, so I have no clue what you're referring to. Shannow - 15/11/2009 03:13:32 PM 761 Views
Gateway blocking sphere? Sidious - 15/11/2009 03:28:09 PM 734 Views
We don't actually know that... Shannow - 15/11/2009 04:05:10 PM 763 Views
Re: We don't actually know that... Sidious - 15/11/2009 06:02:28 PM 737 Views
From Question of the week 14 Shannow - 15/11/2009 07:34:19 PM 710 Views
Disagree Sidious - 15/11/2009 08:14:28 PM 743 Views
What if he makes multiple gateways at the same time? Shannow - 15/11/2009 08:21:48 PM 750 Views
I agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 08:50:54 PM 308 Views
But RJ answered this Sidious - 15/11/2009 09:47:57 PM 760 Views
You're ignoring a key sentence... fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 09:58:03 PM 790 Views
Re: You're ignoring a key sentence... Sidious - 16/11/2009 06:47:47 AM 761 Views
The issue is that it is easier to make a gateway than to block one - individually. Shannow - 15/11/2009 10:04:22 PM 823 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 16/11/2009 07:12:05 AM 921 Views
Problem is... Shannow - 16/11/2009 07:45:41 AM 728 Views
I agree with Sidious... Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 04:12:04 PM 748 Views
The quote exists. I'll get it for you and post it in a couple of hours. Gotta go to church now. Shannow - 15/11/2009 04:13:35 PM 714 Views
Ok, later Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 04:17:07 PM 734 Views
Here's the full quote, from Question of the Week 14. Shannow - 15/11/2009 07:30:29 PM 783 Views
Here's the way he should have done it... fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 06:19:18 PM 708 Views
I don't think I would put too much faith in that.... Light in the Night - 15/11/2009 09:32:22 PM 713 Views
Moghedien and Cyndane didn't attack Graendal, in fact... Shannow - 15/11/2009 09:36:03 PM 851 Views
That wasn't what I said.... Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 12:42:53 AM 667 Views
Re: That wasn't what I said.... Sidious - 16/11/2009 07:14:08 AM 1038 Views
I guess you could see it that way Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 08:48:23 PM 792 Views
My bad... fionwe1987 - 16/11/2009 02:22:35 AM 703 Views
She killed Asmodean, didn't she? Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 01:58:40 AM 727 Views
Moridin used her Lord Haart - 15/11/2009 06:54:59 PM 713 Views
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